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Bush acting as imperial president
seatllepi.com ^ | July 3, 2002 | Helen Thomas

Posted on 07/08/2002 6:02:41 AM PDT by nicmarlo

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I did not see this article posted, after doing several searches. My apologies if it's duplicated.

My dear friend send me this article via e-mail....she is trying to convert me to the Rat side.....and knows I regularly partake of FR and she laughlingly said that some call us FReepers (as if this was an insult). She is a Christian, with many similar values. She just can't quite understand, however, why I don't hate Ashcroft, despise Bush, love the Clintons, ad nauseum. I think the day she sent this to me was the day after my continued expressed devotion to the conservative political cause made her to want to "pull out her last three hairs." I will probably never win her over to the "right" side, but this article embodies many of our disagreements.....Helen Thomas aside. Now, how to refute Thomas' absurd and moronic statements and keep my friend.....(I know, sometimes you just can't make someone "see the light," but I'd like to try). Any help here from my FReeper friends?

1 posted on 07/08/2002 6:02:41 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
This Should Have Triggered a"Major Barf-Alert"!!!Helen,Just Go Away!!!!!!!!!!!
2 posted on 07/08/2002 6:08:53 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: nicmarlo
As if His Slickness didn't act as a modern day Caesar.

Note to Helen: Preventing a theft is not the same as stealing, honey.

3 posted on 07/08/2002 6:11:01 AM PDT by sauropod
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To: nicmarlo
Do agree w/ Miz Thomas wrt our civil liberties being endangered by the so-called Patriot Act.
4 posted on 07/08/2002 6:12:32 AM PDT by sauropod
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Do agree w/ Miz Thomas wrt our civil liberties being endangered

As do I......on that my friend and I also agree...

5 posted on 07/08/2002 6:14:30 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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In foreign affairs he has the nerve to tell other people that they should get rid of their current leaders.

Roosevelt and Churchill wanted to kill the German leader during WWII but I guess that's lost on the craggy Ms Thomas.

6 posted on 07/08/2002 6:14:38 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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Ms. Thomas:

I find utter amazement in your ridicule of President Bush. You are the same writer that swooned at the previous President that set a new standard of law breaking and deviance while in office.

You forgot to mention that President Clinton is one of the people that is being protected by Presidential Records Act.

In terms of taking out Saddam Hussien, this is a goal Republicans and Democrats and many World leaders seem to agree with. Your heroric President Clinton bombed innocent people to protect him against the Monica Lewinsky scandal, and in many ways used the same tactic to go after Slovadin Milosevic (sp).

Janet Reno abused the Justice Dept. at record levels to cover for President Clinton. Her job was to support the Independent Council not hinder it. Reno also ignored her own commissions recommendations for Campaign Finance Reform hearings!

Finally, it has been proven by every normal standard of law that Bush won Florida without the Supreme Court. Despite the Network and Media calling Florida and other states early to hinder Bush turnout (even Democrat pollsters internal polling data said that Bush lost over a net 8-10 thousand votes in Western Florida by the media's false call for the state), Bush still would have won.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, however the hypocricy of your beliefs is somewhat breathtaking.

7 posted on 07/08/2002 6:17:44 AM PDT by shoedog
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Roosevelt and Churchill wanted to kill the German leader during WWII but I guess that's lost

Yeah, I know....I think lots of things are lost on her....perhaps the difference there was war was declared by Congress.....and she always seems to come to the defense of the Middle Eastern leaders.....and it's no secret that Clinton courted Arafat, so, obviously, it's "wrong" for Bush not to.

8 posted on 07/08/2002 6:18:02 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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Could either of you offer specifics as to how YOUR civil liberties are being endangered?
9 posted on 07/08/2002 6:19:10 AM PDT by John W
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions, however the hypocricy of your beliefs is somewhat breathtaking.

Isn't it though? That is what I thought, too, when I read this article. She quickly throws stones at President Bush, who's done nothing close to the abuses of the Clintons.

10 posted on 07/08/2002 6:19:57 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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It is time to throw Helen Thomas out of the WH Press Corps. She no longer writes news articles, only columns. Thus, she is no longer a journalist and does not deserve one of the very limited number of seats in the Briefing Room, much less a permanent reserved seat in the front row. Exile her!
11 posted on 07/08/2002 6:23:31 AM PDT by Timesink
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She is a Christian, with many similar values. She just can't quite understand, however, why I don't hate Ashcroft, despise Bush, love the Clintons, ad nauseum.

I'm having trouble reconciling these two sentences. They seem mutually exclusive.

12 posted on 07/08/2002 6:24:56 AM PDT by Timesink
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I remember all too well the senators who gave President Lyndon B. Johnson a free hand to do whatever

Oh.......if only Clinton had limited himself to this.........

13 posted on 07/08/2002 6:25:09 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: John W; sauropod
Could either of you offer specifics as to how YOUR civil liberties are being endangered?

I have a fear of that occurring. One thing leads to another. I have the disconcerting feeling that, in the wrong hands, government could intrude into my personal affairs, in the name of the patriot act. On the flip side, I understand the need to allow the government to look into people's personal affairs for security reasons (i.e., those who are suspects). It just kind of is reminiscent of Orwell's 1984..... frightening to me, but becoming more realistic.

14 posted on 07/08/2002 6:25:19 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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If we were to follow Helen's advise, there is a good chance there will be 10s if not 100s of thousands more innocent people killed. Such prospects require that we take the steps neccessary to prevent it from happening.
15 posted on 07/08/2002 6:26:00 AM PDT by FranklinsTower
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To: Timesink
I'm having trouble reconciling these two sentences. They seem mutually exclusive.

My thought, verbatim.

16 posted on 07/08/2002 6:27:30 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: John W
"Could either of you offer specifics as to how YOUR civil liberties are being endangered?"

Don't be too hard on them ... after all, it's not easy finding something that will give you victim's status.

"If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all."

17 posted on 07/08/2002 6:27:50 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: Timesink
I'm having trouble reconciling these two sentences. They seem mutually exclusive.

It confuses me, as well. However, there are many Christians who are not Republicans.....that confuses me, too, as it seems to me that the Rats do not embody any kind of Christian morals in their foundations.

18 posted on 07/08/2002 6:27:51 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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Did I say Supreme Court? Forget it. Not with this court. It handed him the 2000 election. . .

Helen, you're clearly well into your dotage. Read Ann Coulter's Slander, notably pages 76-90, for enlightenment. Ignorance needn't be invincible, dearie.

19 posted on 07/08/2002 6:29:29 AM PDT by rhema
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To: BlueLancer; John W
it's not easy finding something that will give you victim's status.

Don't mistake my concerns for wanting victim's status. I have a Christian understanding of government intrusion into our lives....i.e., the "mark of the beast," where no one can purchase anything unless he has conformed to the government's requirement that each person has some kind of mark on them that allows them to participate in society (to buy food, for example). Some have speculated that the "mark" is a chip, placed underneath the skin as a scanning device. The chip will allow cash to disappear from usage......and also allow monitoring of every person. Some have speculated that the number is the Social Security number...which is now required for infants. This requirement has only occurred during our lifetimes. It's a progressive thing. That is what concerns me.

20 posted on 07/08/2002 6:36:22 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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