Hussain Al-Hussaini and John Doe 2
Posted on 07/02/2002 7:16:51 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
The Chinese connection has been largely ignored, but I think it is a critical to understanding the threat.
We do get bits and pieces. For example, it was reported in the press that the Chinese government demanded access to Chinese citizens being detained at Gitmo and other facilities.
Practically every time a weapons cash is discovered in Afghanistan and the source country is identified, it is China, everything from rifles to surface to air missiles.
Twelve months ago the U.S. National Intelligence Assessment revealed that primarily two countries had advanced technology sufficient to inflict serious damage to the U.S. infrastructure using a cyber-attack. Computers discovered in Afghanistan indicate al Qaeda now have this technology. I believe it is likely China enhanced their capability from technology transfers from the U.S and have now passed that capability to Al Qaeda.
Also consider the John Lebney connection described in the article.
If reports of bin Laden's kidney problems are true, there are a finite number of locations he could receive adequate care. All are accessable by the U.S. except the locations in China. If bin Laden is alive, I think it is likely he is in China. Otherwise, we would have heard from him. Communicating from China would risk exposing his location and the Chinese are not prepared to risk that yet, in my opinion.
Rumsfeld: Mr. Secretary, are there detainees of Chinese origin? And do you plan to send them back to the Chinese government?
Rumsfeld: I don't recall whether there are still any Chinese. There certainly have been reports of Chinese al Qaeda- related people both in Afghanistan and in Chechnya. Whether we have any in tow or not, I'm not -- I don't recall.
Q: How about from Pakistan?
Q: Northern Alliance people said you have Chinese detainees.
Q: Can you provide us with a list of the countries that are included in the detainees?
Rumsfeld: The -- I didn't bring it with me.
We might be able to. The problem is, it may be inaccurate.
China denies firm's links ..... The Hindu ...... 13 December 2001
China today termed as ``misleading'' the reports that Huawei technologies, its top telecommunications company, was allegedly developing telecom surveillance equipment in India for the ousted Taliban regime, and urged the Indian media not to damage the present ``favourable trend'' in bilateral ties. ``We are surprised to see the misleading report regarding Chinese engineers developing electronic surveillance system in India for the Taliban,'' the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson, Ms. Zhang Qiyue, said. ``This is not true,'' she said when asked to comment on reports that the Cabinet Committee on Security, headed by the Union Home Minister, Mr. L.K. Advani, may take the unprecedented step of deporting 185 Chinese telecom experts suspected of developing telecom surveillance equipment for the Taliban at a Bangalore company. - PTI
"Unsettling signs of al Qaeda's aims and skills in cyberspace have led some government experts to conclude that terroists are at the thresold of using the Internet as a direct instrument of bloodshed"(from the Washington Post link above)
I believe this is the link between China and al Qaeda that identifies the source of the next attack and I expect the attack very soon.
honway
Telecom equipment project by the Chinese for Taliban at Bangalore
(Raju Santhanam)
The Statesman 9 December 2001
Revelations that the Taliban was working on a telecom surveillance equipment with the help of the Chinese in a Bangalore-based project actually cleared by the Government of India has caused red faces in the country’s security establishment.A senior government official in fact said that India did not want to upset the Chinese government but conceded that India might ask 300 Chinese software engineers to leave the country. Official sources said that since all the requisite permission had been obtained there was no question of “deportation”. The official agreed it was a serious security lapse given the developing situation in Afghanistan.The tip-off apparently came from Western Intelligence sources but it was later verified by Indian Intelligence agencies. A final view on how to deal with the situation is yet to be taken.
The Chinese telecom software company had brought in the telecom engineers from China in September on six months’ visa to ensure total secrecy over the project. No Indian apparently is directly involved in the project.
"Mohammed, Youseff, and Nichols fled the Philippines within a few days of a suspected explosives fire associated with Yousef’s apartment in the Philippines."
I incorrectly included Murad in the list of men who had fled the Philippines at the time of a fire (not a blast?) suspected of having been associated with explosives. Murad was arrested in the Philippines soon afterwards. A number of reliable news sources have published information stating Murad was arrested in the Philippines including the New American magazine in an article by William Jasper. John Berger was kind enough to call this error to my attention and provide an additional news story for Murad's arrest:
http://taipeitimes.com/news/20 01/09/14/story/0000102905
As far as John Bergers observation in reply #35 that WISE is not needed as a "linch pin" connection to Padilla, I agree. But one of many points made in my aritcle was that McVeigh may have had connections with the Islamic terrroist type people from WISE in Southern Florida possibly learned of by Israeli intelligence. But I can not rule out that Padilla never had anything to do with WISE and therfore thought it appropriate to mention the possibility in the ariticle.
John Berger also asked me give him source articles for use on his website. And Berger wanted to know which police officials had provided information that Mohammed had traveled to the US.
I posted the following source article on FreeRepublic by Jim Gomez of the Associated Press on June 26, 2002:
"9/11 Mastermind Linked to Youseff in Philippines (OKC Bombing)"
link: www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/706139/posts?page=1
In that story a Rodolfo Mendoza is identified as a northern Philippine police official who supervised operations against AlQaeda agents in the Philippines. The story cites a police report prepared by Mendoza describing Mohammed's role with Murad, Youseff, Murad and others. The report also says Mohammed traveled to Israel and the United States.
Recall in my previous writings that the former Pentagon terror advisor Jesse Clear and Stephen Jones were blocked by the Clinton administration for several years in getting information out of the Philippines on the connections to OKC. Clear gave me the details of the blockage in 1996.
And our Hamas appeaser (gave speech to American Muslim Counsel last week), FBI director Mueller, returned from a fact finding (or coverup?) trip to the Philippines less than two months ago. Why am I not confident that Mueller won't repeat the behavior of the Clinton administration of blocking or deliberately altering the real story out of the Philippines (and even using major news media to do it for him) for political damage control reasons? Remember Mueller was the only Republican named as a US attorney (Northern California)for both of Clintons terms when Clinton dumped all the other Repub US attorneys.
As far as some of the other info in the my article, I have confidential sources which I can not reveal at this time but I am very confident in the sources.
I and others have posted several other articles and replies on FR recently that provide part of the background for my article to the point of common knowledge for those who follow these things closely.
I have not written this article for major news media. I really wrote it to connect the dots for my friends at FR and for some people who have the supporting documentation.
My real intent is to integrate and connect the dots. I am trying to do this in a way that the story can get out before it is altered and doctored by some in the major news media for the government. This has been and still is an on going problem for years in the OKC case.
The major media in the US has deliberately not reported key facts about OKC and 9/11 for many years under Clinton and Bush. The major media in the US has altered or withheld some information to keep callers from DOJ, the White House and FBI happy for political and nnot national security reasons.
I have provided extremely well documented stories to the mainline press before on OKC and 9/11. All they did was either steal it (gave me no credit when they rewrote the story) , not carry it at all or totally rewrite and alter the story in a way that was false and misleading and intentionally changed the conclusions of the article for ulterior motives. This behavior includes that of print and TV media in the US. I know of journalists in print and TV media who have had their stories and my stories spiked at the highest executive levels of the media to keep the public from learning of the conclusions in the OKC and 9/11 cases for purely political damage control reasons.
Of course when criticized for this, the executives will show up on Nightline in some type of public forum and say they do not know what people are complaining about for they claim they published all the facts (but in isolated disjointed fashion spread out over years with no conclusions).
Oh yeah, major media reported the news but deliberately in a way that the public could never understand the big picture and cause an elected politician or bureaucrat to be held accountable (it might be bad for big business at the major media).
And it is a fact that major media reporters rely too heavily on disinformation fed them by government officials in and out of Federal law enforcement. Part of it is laziness and part of it is fear of losing their jobs. The bar is raised to three independent sources for a reporter on a story relying on someone like me while the same reporter may not even have to quote one government source (its news don't you know)if he is relying on an unnamed source in the DOJ, FBI, Pentagon, White House etc. And if the reporter makes the political powers that be in the government unhappy, suddenly the reporter gets cut off from his government sources and has to work three times harder to get a story. And political campaign advertising dollars pay for a lot of the bills for big news media outlets who are careful no to bite the hand that feeds them.
As I said, given this type of behavior by major media, I do not write my articles for major media nor do I intend to help major media help a political figure or an embarrassed DOJ or FBI cover up a story.
Dodge City - Unanswered questions about the Oklahoma bombing (July 3)
THE MAINSTREAM PRESS FINALLY HAS STARTED paying attention to a story the L.A. Weekly broke 10 months ago about warnings that Middle Eastern terrorists were plotting an attack against the U.S. around the same time as the Oklahoma City bombing.
Seventeen days after the 9/11 attacks, we reported that the U.S. House Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare had issued a series of confidential alerts to federal law-enforcement and intelligence agencies warning that Middle Eastern Islamists, under the leadership of Iran, were preparing a series of assaults in 1995. Last month articles about the warnings began appearing on the Associated Press, MSNBC.com and Fox News' Web sites.
The first alert came on February 27, 1995, less than two months before the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. Possible targets included "airports, airlines and telephone systems," the White House and the U.S. Capitol building. On March 3, 1995, the task force issued an update that the terrorists had shifted their target list to America's heartland.
One month before the Oklahoma City bombing, Israeli intelligence had warned U.S. agencies that the impending terror campaign would use so-called "Lily Whites, people without any distinct background, record of any kind . . . who will never be suspected members of a terrorist group." It was a description that fit convicted bombers Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols.
The Weekly's information was included in an article ["Heartland Conspiracy," September 28October 4, 2001] about an investigation by Jayna Davis, a former Oklahoma City TV reporter. Davis detailed alleged connections between Samir Khalil, a Palestinian-born businessman in Oklahoma City, a group of Iraqis working for him, and McVeigh. Her investigation also included reports on the elusive John Doe No. 2, a man police initially said had been seen with McVeigh moments after the explosion.
Davis aired a number of stories on KFOR-TV, but her investigation was cut short. Although he was never identified by name or photo, one of the Iraqis, Hussain Alhussaini, stepped forward and publicly identified himself as the supposed John Doe No. 2 suspect in her stories. He demanded a retraction and eventually sued Davis and her station for defamation. KFOR froze the coverage because of the lawsuit.
During the case, the station was sold to The New York Times, which killed the story. Davis then quit, taking her research with her. A federal judge eventually dismissed Alhussaini's suit. He appealed the ruling and a decision is pending.
Davis obtained the confidential warnings from Yossef Bodansky, the executive director of the House Republican task force. "I got this material in late May of 1996," Davis says. Bodansky gave her permission to use the alerts in her reports. But then he called back and asked Davis not to air them. "He said the issue had gotten too hot, and no one wanted to deal with it. So I honored his request" at the time, she says. The warnings were never publicized.
Bodansky also requested copies of Davis' 22 affidavits -- she now has 26 -- and all of her taped interviews, totaling more than 100 hours. She sent him the material, and the task-force director has now passed it on to the U.S. House Government Reform Committee (news - web sites), headed by Representative Dan Burton (R-Indiana). The committee is reviewing the tapes and affidavits in preparation for hearings on alleged Middle Eastern connections to the Oklahoma City attack.
Ever since McVeigh and Nichols were arrested, the U.S. Department of Justice and the FBI have steadfastly maintained there was no evidence of Middle Eastern involvement. The agencies have also demonstrated an inexplicable disinterest in following leads that might challenge that position. Davis tried twice to pass on her material to the bureau, once in 1997 and again in 1999.
It may well be that McVeigh and Nichols acted alone. But questions remain, whether or not the government wants to answer them.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/710245/posts
Please consider the information on this thread.
U.S. intelligence has found that China's military provided training for Afghanistan's Taliban militia and elements of al Qaeda before the September 11 attacks on the United States, reports Bill Gertz in the Washington Times. The training of the Taliban forces was carried out in cooperation with Pakistan's ISI intelligence service, defense officials told the Times.
The report, and others like it, is unwelcome news for some of the pro-China analysts within the U.S. government who are pushing the Bush administration to adopt a more conciliatory posture toward the communist government in Beijing. In addition, evidence of Chinese military backing for the Taliban continues to surface. Late last month, U.S. Army Special Forces troops discovered 30 Chinese-made SA-7 surface-to-air missiles in southeastern Afghanistan. Still other intelligence reports have indicated the Chinese shipped missiles to the Taliban after September 11.
Hussain Al-Hussaini and John Doe 2
I hope it is that simple. I fear that it is not.
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