Michigan Senators Create Crisis by Vetoing Judicial Appointees

The Detroit News | Sunday, June 30, 2002 | George Weeks

[BOBTHENAILER]

I've been talking to people I know trying to get rid of Levin for years. Debbie Stab-em-now couldn't get elected in my county, a repub stronghold, so she went up to Muskegon county and that bunch of idiot democraps elected her!

You and me both. Until we can change some of the voting patterns within their districts, we're sunk. I hate this liberal state sometimes, although there is some promise.

I live up north and its fairly conservative (Bradstreet is state Rep).

Thanks for the comments.

[BOBTHENAILER]

both White and Lewis are flaming liberals

No chit man. I was glad to be of assistance to our recent Supreme Court judges, got everyone we wanted. Thank God. Now, even if the Rats take the Governorship, we can fight 'em in court.

[RonF]

"What you really have to ask yourself is this. Do you want Zacharias Moussaoui to face the death penalty, if guilty? One of Clintoon judges, installed with Republican help, instead of resistance, just ruled the Death Penalty, in his Federal District, unconstitutional. Do you really want insects, animals, plants and geographical features to take precedent over man?"

Nope. I wouldn't want him to face the death penalty. For one thing, that's what he wants. That makes him a martyr. Let him sit in jail and rot in solitary and go even more insane than he already is. Or, if you really want to be nasty, put him in with the general population. Someone will take him over, use him like a $20 whore, and pass him around like a blow-up sex doll for $5 a shot. But my real reason is that I don't think that the fact that this man usurped the role of God in deciding human life or death justifies the state to do the same.

"Do you believe in God?"

Indeed I do. Go to Church most Sundays and sing in the choir, in fact.

"If so, why is it so offensive to liberal judges that they always try and shun him from any public utterance."

I can't answer for another man's motives. Read their decisions and make of them what you will. They usually state their reasons there.

"Have you ever seen any judicial rulings stating that the Devil, Satan, Satanism or Devil worship is unconstituional?"

Nope. Haven't seen any judicial rulings stating that Christian, Buddhist, Islamic, or any other type of worship is unconstitutional, either.

I *have* seen rulings that state that such worship is unconstitutional when led by the government. So far, the only type of worship I've heard of any government official or employee try to lead (except for armed forces chaplains in their official capacity) has been Christian. If a government official or employee is leading Devil worship, I should think that would fail the Constitutional test as well. Are you aware of any such circumstance?

"I'm surprised, with your views expressed here, I'd think you'd be a hero or a shero over on the dark side."

Nope. Over there, I was criticized because I (as a Boy Scout leader) came out in favor of the BSA's right to ban gays as leaders if they so chose. To some, this apparently meant that I wanted to sew yellow triangles on homosexuals' sleeves, etc., was in favor of gay youth suicides, blah blah blah. Which is not to say there weren't some reasonable people on there as well. But the extremist element didn't like me.

I was asking questions like, "What do you think might happen on a campout if some gay kid made advances to a straight kid? Do you expect that 15-year old gay kids have some kind of magic maturity that will keep them from making errors in judgement that some of the 50-year old straight adults make? And, don't forget, these kids all have knives." I was accused of thinking that all gay kids were sex fiends. I tried to point out that all it took would be one kid in 100 to make a mistake, and there'd be hell to pay. Some people listened, some didn't. Kind of like on FR.

[BOBTHENAILER]

Thanks for the clarification. You're not the type of person that I originally surmised by the tenor of your first posts on this thread.

Take care.

[BOBTHENAILER]

John,

I flagged you to this thread because it falls in line with your post on the Ninth Circuit Court. Although not as eloquent as you, my political rant around the third post, is in keeping with our mutual thoughts on the disaster created by Leahy's juducial obstructionism.

[RonF]

I have no doubt that you'll see postings from me that you will strongly oppose. But then there'll be others that you won't. I'm to the left of the average person here, but that doesn't mean that I don't agree with concepts like "personal responsibility".

[jpl]

And by the way, Clinton committed what in my opinion was a criminal act by making a recess appointment for someone who was actually rejected in a full vote of the Senate.