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Dog meat hot among Korea and China's trendy young
The Straights Times ^ | 30 June 2002 | Ng Hui Hui

Posted on 06/30/2002 5:51:46 AM PDT by csvset

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To: goodieD
Re: Your Post #41

Thanks for telling it like it is!

401 posted on 07/01/2002 12:37:52 PM PDT by albee
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To: Admin Moderator
Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.

If you were going to pretend you enforce the rules evenly, now would be the time to do something.

402 posted on 07/01/2002 12:45:25 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage; Admin Moderator
Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.

If you were going to pretend you enforce the rules evenly, now would be the time to do something.

You mean the part where you likened me to a cross between a Klansman and a tree-hugger?

403 posted on 07/01/2002 12:49:11 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
Dogs are usually strung up by their necks and beaten repeatedly to increase the flow of adrenaline in their flesh. Consumers believe the more pain the animals suffer, the more tender the meat becomes. The dogs would struggle, howl, urinate and bleed till they become unconscious. Finally, they are chopped into pieces. All these are done in front of other dogs awaiting the same fate.

Ohdearheavens how is that possible?

I feel sick.

"All cultures are legitimate, equal." "Diversity is our strength."

404 posted on 07/01/2002 12:54:48 PM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: AnnaZ
I feel sick.

And what makes me even sicker, is that there are people here on this thread that see nothing wrong with this practice. I can't believe that anyone could condone such acts of cruelity, but alas, there are some right here that do...

405 posted on 07/01/2002 12:57:09 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: Cultural Jihad
Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.

I guess AJA sees nothing wrong with his little "joke" that he had on his profile page....

406 posted on 07/01/2002 1:02:38 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: Lake
"...ants are good, too."

That's great. I know where they can find a few million Red Fire ants they can sprinkle on their genitalia to liven up their sex-capades.

We can ship them some Brown Recluse spiders, too.

That'll swell their organs to 10 times their normal size, before they desiccate and fall off.

I guess that would make me their 'desiccationer'. I kind of like the sound of that.

407 posted on 07/01/2002 1:04:52 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: FormerLurker; Admin Moderator
No, more like saying people support torture when they point out what it looks like when you people start imagining they all want to eat your dogs.

I must congratulate you, however. I don't doubt you've found the pretext the hypocritical frauds with their fingers on the ban buttons will use.
408 posted on 07/01/2002 1:07:45 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Where did you find this pic. I have seeing her all over and who is she and whats the linke
409 posted on 07/01/2002 1:14:40 PM PDT by shined1
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To: BJungNan
A weak and pathetic defense of the Dog Eaters. Animal torture is practiced and condoned by the lowest common denominator of human being, which is too kind of a word for such scum. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
410 posted on 07/01/2002 1:19:49 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Tennessee_Bob
she hot
411 posted on 07/01/2002 1:20:01 PM PDT by shined1
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To: A.J.Armitage; Lake; FormerLurker
No, something similar to that's happened as much as 24 years ago. There was a pond loaded with wild ducks, geese and turtles that some Vietnamese cleaned out, before they were arrested.

Dogs and cats had disappeared in the neighborhood, too.

That was at Indian Boundary Park, located in Roger's Park, Ill., just outside the Chicago city limits, A.J..

As I remember, there was a tiger in their little zoo that was removed by zoo officials, under mysterious circumstances.

Now, that I have read some of Lake's 'gruesome gourmet' comments, I suspect the Vietnamese were after it's genitalia. The zoo officials must have thought it wasn't PC to say anything about it.

I wonder how they were trying to coax that tiger into sticking it's genitalia through the bars? LOL.

The Vietnamese didn't know it was a park and a zoo, they thought it was an open air, self-service market.

Westerners see that park and zoo for the first time and are struck by it's charm and beauty, Far Easterners just get hungry. 'Wow, look at all the free food!'
412 posted on 07/01/2002 1:33:08 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: A.J.Armitage; Admin Moderator
No, more like saying people support torture when they point out what it looks like when you people start imagining they all want to eat our dogs.

Your response to post #379 was a bit more indicative of someone who was espousing the view that anyone concerned about this was a "envirowacky animals rights" type person, as evidenced in post #380.

I find it interesting that now you claim you were simply pointing out that these people don't want to eat our dogs.

I must congratulate you, however. I don't doubt you've found the pretext the hypocritical frauds with their fingers on the ban buttons will use.

You're the one that summoned the moderator. I myself would have walked away, but you couldn't leave things as they were. I have no interest in seeing you banned, nor have I hit the "Abuse" button on you. I simply don't like being portrayed as a cross between a "klansman and a tree-hugger", and I told you so in so many words.

413 posted on 07/01/2002 1:40:48 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: 4Freedom
>>I suspect the Vietnamese were after it's genitalia.

Actually every part of a tiger is useful, even tiger dung is a great repellant, police dogs, military dogs, leopard, bear, you name it. None of them dare to come close when they smell it. Drug traffickers love it when they manage to cross the border.

As for manhood, you don't have to use tiger penis. Donkey and buffalo work just as well and plus they are legal. Donkey penis is served in slice, which is called "gold coin meat" because an ancient Chinese coin had a hole in the center. Buffalo penis is called "ox whip" because of the magnitude of its length.

414 posted on 07/01/2002 1:56:24 PM PDT by Lake
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To: 4Freedom
>>a few million Red Fire ants they can sprinkle on their genitalia to liven up their sex-capades.

The ants should be fried and served with rice noodles. The nature of ants is "male or positive" in Chinese medicine while donkey skin or toad nipples have a "female or negative" nature.

415 posted on 07/01/2002 2:05:14 PM PDT by Lake
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To: Lake
Donkey and buffalo work just as well and plus they are legal. Donkey penis is served in slice, which is called "gold coin meat" because an ancient Chinese coin had a hole in the center. Buffalo penis is called "ox whip" because of the magnitude of its length.

Let me guess, they "harvest" these "delicacies" while the animal is still alive?

416 posted on 07/01/2002 2:19:21 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: 4Freedom
Now, that I have read some of Lake's 'gruesome gourmet' comments, I suspect the Vietnamese were after it's genitalia. The zoo officials must have thought it wasn't PC to say anything about it.

As they say, you are what you eat... LOL

417 posted on 07/01/2002 2:21:43 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
>>they "harvest" these "delicacies" while the animal is still alive?

No. The only thing I know to harvest alive is antler, but that doesn't kill the deer. I don't know if the deer can feel any pain. But at least it can get used to it because the harvest takes place every year and the deer looks pretty happy.

418 posted on 07/01/2002 2:33:32 PM PDT by Lake
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To: Lake; 4Freedom
For all of the pain and suffering these Asian people inflict on animals in order to better their jollies in the sack, you'd think they'd at least have the intended benefit from such practices. Alas, eating dog meat, especially from a stressed animal, has just the opposite effect.

No wonder they're always looking for ways to "increase their prowess and potency".. :)

From Animal Stress Results in Meat Causing Disease


Web Version Courtesy of Jean Chemour's Website
who appreciates the 'legal' assistance and support of a friend in writing the HTML

Animal Stress Results in Meat Causing Disease



Irwin H. Putzkoff, PhD, MD Schmuckintush professor of nutritional physiology
Cho Byung-Ho, and Oh Jin-Hwan Laboratory Assistants

NOTE - This article is focused on stress-induced hormone and cortisoid production. For those searching for hormone treated meat, use this link.

Abstract

Stress, fear and pain when animals are being slaughtered or waiting to be slaughtered results in several disease processes in the humans which eat the meat. Most notable are cardiac problems, impotency and general fatigue. These adverse effects are most directly associated with consumption of dog meat.

Experiments including laboratory dogs slaughtered in stressful conditions result in impotence of rats fed with the dog's meat. These results correlate with studies of humans in St. Georges, Utah.

Studies made of domestic farm animals (cattle, pigs and poultry), and of laboratory animals (dogs and rats) show in all cases elevated levels of steroid hormones, generally associated with adrenocortical secretions. Primary substances include adrenalin, cortisone-like secretions, and steroids which stimulate fear pheromone production. All of these are known to result in poor health and poor vitality. This study confirms this link in food consumed by humans.



Preliminary Study

Laboratory dogs in particular are implicated in increased adverse effects of fear during slaughter. A group of laboratory rats which were fed the dogs' meat ceased to reproduce after a period as short as two weeks. The male rats in particular ceased to be attracted to female rats in estrus, and there was a small reduction in physical size of the sexual organs.

A control group of rats, fed on dogs' meat where the dogs were slaughtered without realizing fear maintained a healthy reproduction rate nearly consistent with that expected from a prescribed laboratory diet.

Theory

These substances, remain in the meat and are transmitted to the humans. Humans are particularly susceptible to their effects. This is thought to be genetic, in that humans evolved from herbevoiric animals who supplemented their diet from incidental sources of meat. The human digestive tract is well-adapted to consumption of meat, but the higher metabolic functions are unable to handle meat as efficiently.

It is thought that the domestication of cattle is an adaptation to this limitation. Ancient humans would obtain a substantial amount of their meat supply from domestic animals, which were generally calm on slaughter until unconscious from loss of blood.

Modern slaughter techniques which cause fear in animals defeat this mechanism. This results in animals whose meat has unnaturally high amounts of hormones.

This is apparent in the United States, where it was noted that girls were entering puberty at abnormally early ages, and that teenage boys were starting to develop small breasts. It is also thought that approximately 50% of impotence not attributed to other causes (e.g., diabetes or use of antihypertensive drugs) is caused by the high hormone content in meat.

It was originally thought that this was the result of growth hormones being used in the meat, but the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has strict limits on the use of such hormones prior to slaughter. Since these levels are easily tested, farmers are reluctant to run the risk of using hormones prior to slaughter. It would therefore be expected that the impotency effects and abnormal teenage development patterns would decrease instead of increase.

Human Studies of Subjects in St. Georges, Utah

Recent studies of 642 teenagers (289 girls and 353 boys) at Utah Freedom Hospital, in St. Georges, Utah, showed a continued marked increase in early onset of menses of girls (68% under age 10, as opposed to an historical rate of 32% under age 10), and increased incidence of breast development in teenage boys. (Fully 48% had breast development 200% beyond the norm, and 89% had a notable increase in breast development.)

It is difficult to quantitize the effects of such hormones on male impotency, partly because of a reluctance of patients to comment on such occurrence and partly because of a lack of a solid baseline. Nevertheless, it is noted that there is a continued increase in unexplained impotency, while there is a decrease in impotency from specific medical causes. This change in ratio far exceeds the changes which would result from improved health, because the particular diseases (e.g., diabetes) do not show a proportional decrease. Therefore, it is clear that there is a dramatic increase in impotency.

Conclusions

Fear in animals during slaughter causes dramatic reduction of vitality and sexual potency in humans who eat the meat. Fortunately, humans have evolved to mainly eat animals which can be slaughtered with a minimum of stress. Consumption of emotional animals such as dogs is limited to a few primative societies. Therefore it is unlikely that dramatic reductions in health occurs as a result of slaughtering techniques.

The main exception is dog meat, which contains hormones which cause inpotency when the meat is eaten. Stress when the animal is slaughtered increases these hormones dramatically, but even without stress, dog meat causes some depression in reproductive activity.

This does not necessarily mean that the meat is per se unhealthy. There is a possibility that less sexual activity promotes health. While eating dog's meat would cause an increased risk of cardiovascular disease, the decreased sexual appetite can reduce incidences of AIDS in those primitive societies which still eat dog meat.

While we do see a definite increase in harmful health effects, in the United States these effects are minimal and do not warrant a change in our habits of consumption of herbivor farm animals.



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Attempts were made to obtain satisfactory subjects from the Tufts Psychology Dept., but this met with limited success.

This article is provided by Jean Chemour, who translated it into HTML but did not participate in the research. Emails relayed to Jean Chemour and Dr. Putzkoff courtesy of Jean Chemour e-mail: bk269@scn.org, whose efforts in web maintenance are gratefully acknowleged as he would say. (Email relayed, so it may take a day or so.) Dr. Irwin H. Putzkoff does not have email, but you are cordially welcome to write to Jean.
If you are doing research, the references should actually be pretty much on point. 

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To: 4Freedom
Tiger urine cures arthritis. Some zoo employees sell tiger urine secretly in China.
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