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Police Say Two Children Died When Mother Left Them in Hot Car for Three Hours
The Associated Press ^ | Published: Jun 29, 2002

Posted on 06/29/2002 2:14:17 PM PDT by TheOtherOne

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To: First_Salute
I'm not suggesting she should be overcharged.

I am saying the worst possible case (as in possibility) is outright murder. Let the police and DA do there job before we state the worst possible is something less than murder. We simply don't know. Who knows what will be discovered.

To base the claim that man slaughter is the worst possible crime in this case from what little information is available this article is unwise and simply not true.
101 posted on 06/30/2002 6:39:36 AM PDT by DB
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To: DB
Manslaughter is the worst level which can be charged, based upon the information in the story.

The story does not provide evidence of attempted murder, that there was design; rather, the story provides evidence of accidental death contributed to, by the mother, her negligence.

That is all we have.

It is a serious abuse to charge somebody for what might have happened.

IF the police investigate further and IF they find sufficient evidence of ill will, THEN the level of charge may be raised; but even then it may not be raised, in the event of the prosecutor's discretion, the evidence is still to "thin" to support murder charges.

The burden is upon the state to have significant evidence.

Because the state has used the word "murder," the state may have some evidence, but none of it is in the story.

I assure you, that when you arrested by a zealous California state's attorney, for possession of a firearm about which you know that you associated no ill will --- but that squeaky ill-liberal from Berkeley intends to make an example of you --- that you will quickly grasp onto the nature of district attorneys' abuse of power.

To be arrested for something you have not done and charged even worse --- at a level beyond what honestly on the facts could be made --- you should not relish, nor for another.

My duty to you, is to protect you from the government's over-zealous application of power.

You may not wish it, and I am truly sorry for our differences thereupon.

102 posted on 06/30/2002 7:18:06 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: First_Salute
It was termination for inconvenience punishable in Michigan by 50 hours of community service -- unless that too is inconvenient.
103 posted on 06/30/2002 7:23:22 AM PDT by Whilom
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To: LWalk18
>>And the race of the mother is relavant in what way?

Is it going to miraculously change from black to white before the information is released? Get real. She's a moron, white or black, sure, but arguing "relevance" over her race is just a stinking smokescreen.

104 posted on 06/30/2002 7:27:15 AM PDT by Wondervixen
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To: livius
she found her child dead in the car, because she'd forgotten to drop him off at day care. She had a husband, incidentally, and he was also well employed.

There was another case in Detroit, a few years ago, in which a Wayne State University professor left his infant to fry in the car. He forgot that it was his turn to drop of the bother at daycare. The absent-minded professor was not charged, IIRC.

105 posted on 06/30/2002 7:30:13 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: glory
If only these stories all wound up this way. Hopefully mom no longer has the inconvenience of dealing with the child.

106 posted on 06/30/2002 7:32:54 AM PDT by Bandolier
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To: trussell
Maybe I'm just too new at motherhood, but I've NEVER left my girls alone for one second, even if it has cost me a spot in line or some other inconvenience...I just couldn't imagine anything on Earth more important than my three!
107 posted on 06/30/2002 7:36:49 AM PDT by Wondervixen
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To: Bandolier
I just read the rest of the thread.
My god, we're arguing if it was because they were black or white. What has happened to our society that we believe that grief over two dead children could me mitigated by their race?

Jesus wept, or should have.

108 posted on 06/30/2002 7:45:33 AM PDT by Bandolier
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To: Bonaparte
Fascinating, mafree. How long would it take to undo those french braids you got?

Usually 2-4 hours, again depending on how many and the length.

109 posted on 06/30/2002 7:49:11 AM PDT by mafree
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To: glory
I know it is quite commen for stylists to do off the clock jobs for patrons.

True- braids are often done in the home, in great part because it's cheaper than in salons. Many who are not licensed beauticians or who do other things for a living braid in their home or in the client's house.

110 posted on 06/30/2002 7:52:28 AM PDT by mafree
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To: Catspaw
"And I was worried about leaving my dog in the car--parked in the shade with all the windows down about four inches-- for 10 minutes."

You're right to be concerned, as dogs will generally die before humans when confined in a hot car. Humans sweat: we're "water-cooled." Dogs pant: they're "air-cooled." Depriving a dog of adequate ventilation at high temperatures will fry the critter's brain.

Of course, the same thing can happen to people eventually (especially young children,) hence the tragic story that started this thread.

111 posted on 06/30/2002 8:20:39 AM PDT by ihatemyalarmclock
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To: Dog Gone
weave takes a while
112 posted on 06/30/2002 10:33:09 AM PDT by bandlength
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To: Conservative til I die
Because her name was Shaniqua or Sha-neh-neh maybe?

It's kind of ironic how black activists made sure the race of someone can't be mentioned unless they happen to be white but then they turn around and start using names that give it away.

113 posted on 06/30/2002 10:43:17 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: superdestroyer
and if she had received the Reparations that she deserves that she could have afford a baby sitter

And if she can afford a hairstyle that takes 3 hours to do, she could well afford a baby sitter.

114 posted on 06/30/2002 10:44:36 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: LWalk18
And the race of the mother is relavant in what way?

I don't think it is relevant, the only reason anyone can suspect she might be black is because it happened in Detroit, if it was some other city you couldn't make that assumption.

115 posted on 06/30/2002 10:52:35 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Timesink
Whatever jail time she ends up getting, I sure hope the judge orders her to get a hysterectomy too, unless she won't be getting out until well after menopause.

By today's standards that would be counter the the woman's "right" to reproduce. I agree with you but no judge would have the courage to withstand the PC firestorm.

116 posted on 06/30/2002 10:55:55 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: poweqi
I met a girl named Telephonica one time and that was enough!

We have a pair of brothers in our county named Lemonjello and Orangello. Guess where their names came from.

117 posted on 06/30/2002 11:02:09 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: superdestroyer
Do you or timesink know for sure that this woman is black, or that the PD is not releasing her name because of this fact? Good grief, even if she is how or why is that relevant?
118 posted on 06/30/2002 11:10:49 AM PDT by Aedammair
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To: LWalk18
In Zimbabwe they used to just put babies on trains that were briefly stopped in stations, put them under seats and on luggage racks, etc.

When the train reached the end of the line it was full of squalling untraceable unwanted babies.

119 posted on 06/30/2002 11:16:07 AM PDT by crystalk
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To: glory
Very informative. Thanks!
120 posted on 06/30/2002 11:19:38 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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