Airlines to Charge Extra for "People of Size"

http://www.msnbc.com/local/knsd/A1232224.asp ^ | June 19, 2002 | Barbie Doll

[Paul Atreides]

Hillary is a person of thighs.

[Paul Atreides]

What's next, "people of duh!" for the less intelligent?

At least they would have their own land; it's known as Florida.

By the way, aren't we all of size? The last I looked, I wasn't invisible (unless you count the times I want assistance at Dillards).

[Britton J Wingfield]

You have size, and you probably have color, too.

[Paul Atreides]

What about stature? Do I have stature?

[comebacknewt]

What is going to wind up killing Southwest here is their lack of consistent standards. By not having a readily identifiable policy that they can apply uniformly, they are begging for a lawsuit -- especially once someone from a "protected class" is denied boarding or is charged double.

The idea seems to have some merit, but based on what I have read so far, the implementation is going to be a disaster for them.

[TheRedSoxWinThePennant]

heres some tips fot the people of size who want to fly

from the national association to advance fat acceptance website

http://www.naafa.org

Airline Tips for Large Passengers
Airline travel can be a nightmare for the large person. Small seats and aisles, the long walk from the check-in area to the gate, and the frequent insensitivity of passengers and crew can all contribute to an unpleasant flying experience. But with careful planning, your flight can be safe and enjoyable. Follow the guidelines listed below in order to maximize your comfort while flying.

BOOK CAREFULLY - Book your flight carefully, avoiding "rush-hour" air time. Take advantage of "red-eye special" deals, where the plane is less likely to be full . The chance of the seat next to yours remaining empty is 0% if you are flying out of LAX at 0 600 on a Monday morning.
EMPTY SEAT - Tell the airline that you are large and ask that the seat next to yours remain empty if at all possible. The worst the airline can do is say "No", but most airlines will at least attempt to accommodate. BELT EXTENSIONS - Request a seat-belt extension when you book your flight, and/or ask for one when you board the plane. Do not wait for the flight attendant's animated safety speech to discuss this need.
SEAT SIZE - When you book your flight ask specifically for the seat measurements of the plane you will be on. Explain your need and ask for the largest seat in your section of the plane. Even one inch can make a big difference.
AISLE OR WINDOW - Request a seat assignment for the aisle or window, where you will I have a little more room, and make sure that you don't have a bulkhead seat. While you have more leg-room in bulkhead, the armrests in the bulkhead do not raise, and the tray tables come out of the armrest across your lap. Supersize flyers might wish to request an aisle seat in a row where the outside armrests are movable, making it easier to slide into the row. PRE-BOARD - Even mid-size people have trouble squeezing down the micro-sized center aisle of most planes, and this task is even more difficult the plane is already plump with passengers. For this reason, you should preboard the plane with the rest of the passengers who need extra time in boarding. The gate agent probably won't hassle you, but if she asks, just say that you're a large person and need a little extra time.
ARMREST UP - When you get to your seat during pre-boarding, raise the armrest between seats. This may give you the inch or two of extra space you need. The chances are that the passenger who will be seated next to you won't say anything; if he does, smile pleasantly and say that you'll both be more comfortable if the armrest is up.
RESTROOMS - Use the airport restroom before boarding your plane. Ask when booking your trip if handicapped facilities are available on your particular flight. If not, you may want to change your plans and fly on a plane equipped with an accessible restroom.
TRAY-TABLE - If you cannot bring down the tray-table, have the flight attendant ask the passenger in front of you to put their seat to the full upright position for mealtime. If this doesn't help, set a pillow on your lap, and your meal tray on the pillow.
DO THE BUMP - Consider being bumped voluntarily. Not only can this be extremely profitable for fat frequent flyers (see related article), but your chances of being re-assigned to a partially full plane are greatly enhanced. You won't mind the inconvenience of an odd
departure/arrival time if your next trip by air is at a greatly reduced price.
SECOND SEAT - If you have purchased a second seat for comfort, be sure to let the flight attendant know as you board the plane. This will avoid embarrassment, as an ignorant flight attendant may try to fill your second seat. EXIT ROW SEAT - The exit-row seats over the wings of most planes have considerably more leg room than the rest of the seats in economy class. While FM regulations state that exit-row seating may be denied to fat passengers,
requesting an exit-row seat may be a viable option for fat people who are tall and those with reasonably good health and mobility.
GATE TRANSPORTATION - It's usually a long walk between curbside check-in and the gate, or between gates when you have connecting flights. When making your reservations, make sure to tell the agent if you will need special services, such as the airport tra m or an armless wheelchair and attendant.
The most important thing to remember is that you have the right to fly anywhere you want to go. Your needs deserve to be met, but it may be up to you to remind them of this simple fact. If you experience problems despite your precautions, write a letter of complaint to the airline. Remember, you have a right to accessible transportation.

Contributors: Jean Soncrant and Lynn McAffee ©

[jejones]

Do you expect to mail a 100-lb package for the same price as a 10-ounce one?

No, but OTOH, postage is so much per unit weight. Seems to me that airlines should charge based on sum of the passenger's weight and that of the passenger's baggage.

[Britton J Wingfield]

ARMREST UP - When you get to your seat during pre-boarding, raise the armrest between seats. This may give you the inch or two of extra space you need. The chances are that the passenger who will be seated next to you won't say anything;

In other words, just grab their space and count on them being afraid to stand up for themselves.

if he does, smile pleasantly and say that you'll both be more comfortable if the armrest is up.

Yeah, we both will. And monkeys might fly out of my butt. It's not my flesh being compressed, not as long as the arm-rest is still between us.

[comebacknewt]

No, but OTOH, postage is so much per unit weight. Seems to me that airlines should charge based on sum of the passenger's weight and that of the passenger's baggage

Good point. Plus, what Southwest is doing is like the Post Office saying, "Some packages will cost more than others, but we can't tell you exactly what the cutoff will be. We are going to leave that up to each individual postal clerk".

Can you imagine the uproar that would take place if that occurred?

[Britton J Wingfield]

You are right, package size would be a better analogy. Oversize packages do pay more, regardless of their weight, because they displace other paying cargo. I could mail a brick for less than I could a giant box of foam peanuts.

[Britton J Wingfield]

You are correct that they should have a definitive standard based on girth. They can measure my waist before boarding all they want.

[TheRedSoxWinThePennant]

the head of the national association to advance fat acceptance was on fox today and she was pissed and she spouted this crap today so I had to go to their website it is quite funny

[Republican Wildcat]

What utter nonsense. If someone is taking up two seats, they're taking up two seats. "Unfairly singled out" my foot. Are you being serious or sarcastic? I certainly hope it is the latter.

[Britton J Wingfield]

These people were picketing some health department for their height/weight guidelines. They claimed that obesity was not a health risk, just victim a cultural bias. The funny part is that half the so-called-healthy picketers had to use little carts, since they couldn't walk properly.

[CecilRhodesGhost]

Are you a Southwest Airlines shareholder or something? I can't understand what you can't' understand. People of a certain classification are being unfairly singled out and financially punished... this is not a "hate crime" but it's close in my book. A lawsuit will be filed, you can bet on it. A skillful trial attorney should make this policy look like swiss-cheese! This type of weightism is also a dangerous, slippery slope in legal terms. What's next? If one's legs are too long, will they be fined for stretching into the aisle? This policy is almost a Stalin-like purge of a certain group... certainly a policy that was made swiftly and without good judgement. Christmas has come early for the trial lawyers today.

[Britton J Wingfield]

If one's legs are too long, will they be fined for stretching into the aisle?

Yes. Blocking the aisle is not allowed. My legs are very long, and I get very cramped on long flights, but that does not give me the right to block the aisle.

Nobody is being singled out. The fact is that some people take up 2 seats worth of space, and logically should pay for 2 seats worth of tickets.

[Britton J Wingfield]

Judging by your profile and homepage, you speak with some authority on the subject. I like the message for Bin Laden :)

[rmlew]

I have no problem with this given a few provisions:
1. The Standards are set and written, whether they be determined by weight or size.
2. People paying for 2 seats, get them.
3. They get the sky miles for both seats.