THE JUDGE AS PROSECUTOR: TWO DAYS AT THE "TRIAL" OF SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC

Emperor's Clothes ^ | June 19, 2002 | Ian Johnson, Jared Israel

[Canuck1]

Judge May. "Your time is up Mr Milosevic. Mr Yemeni, I would like to thank you for coming to give evidence to the International Tribunal and you are now free to go."

Translation: Judge May. "There's no need to waste any more time with this Mr. Milosevic. Mr. Yemeni, your 'evidence' is so far fetched I'd like you to go before you waste any more of this court's time. Now get lost!"

[Hoplite]

What don't you understand about this source being fatally compromised?

We'll debate something else, some other time, but I will not afford the ideological descendants of Marx, Engels, and Mao the dignity of a response.

You're looking for me to debate through proxy the ideological equivalent of NAMBLA here, and I'm not doing it.

Enjoy your rotten candy, kids, and watch your backsides.

[Hoplite]

The three fingered salute, regardless of what it started out symbolizing, has been hijacked by murdering thugs working for an athiest.

Shall you berate me for heaping contempt upon cross burners or those wearing "Gott mit uns" beltbuckles next?

And can I get 10 "Bog I Havarti"s out of you by way of Christian solidarity?A Moose stole my Cheese!
That was no Moose, that was Odin.
Amen.

[Kate22]

Actually, Hoplite, speaking as someone who attends the Serbian Church on occasion as a visitor and who knows many people in the Serbian community both in Serbia and the diaspora, apart from the few assh*les (which we all have to suffer within our own societies - some more than others) the vast majority are good peace-loving and kind people who still see the three fingered salute as a sign of the Holy Trinity.

There may be those who bastardise its meaning, but that doesn't signify that the meaning is altered.

[Kate22]

Exactement - Imagine, they have a biased tribunal, the right to change the indictment after arrest, the right to hold defendants indefinitely, they are funded by groups linked to the Prostecution and the Bench, they can coach witnesses, rely on Judge May to have a verdict in his mind before sentencing... they have everything going for them and still look ridiculous to anyone who cares to watch (and there must be millions).

[bluester]

If only some other people would at least have the chance to go before a trial, as Milosevic does, no matter how you disagree with it. Some are convicted without any trial. Without the right to defend. Where their religion/nationality is proof alone for their guilt. Why don't I hear the same people expressing their concern for those cases. The right to fair trial for ALL, regardless what communist or "evil axis" country they come from.

[Hoplite]

the vast majority are good peace-loving and kind people who still see the three fingered salute as a sign of the Holy Trinity.

May they wrest what is theirs from the usurpers and pretenders.

[bluester]

I must agree here Hoplite, just because someone is a communist, socialist and has such a site, it doesn't mean he is a monster, liar by default and that anything he might say is automatically untrue, no matter how much you may disagree with him ideologically. I do know why Milosevic gained so much support among many communists, socialists in Europe and elsewhere, and in many cases those people did ignore many things that went beyond ideology and that should have been condemned and pointed out regardless if someone feels ideologically close to some politician. That was their biggest mistake.

But I wouldn't just dismiss everything they might point out that may hold some truth, as far as the international foreign policy is concerned and the very apparent double standards in play.

[Incorrigible]

As a big fan of Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul II, the trio that led to the demise of world communism as a threat to individual liberty throughout the world, I am stunned that I have been put into the position to have to shout the following:

FREE SLOBO!!!!

[bluester]

Actually communism would have gone the same way without the three of them as well. Just a thought.

[Incorrigible]

Lech Walesa and Mikhail Gorbachev would beg to differ...

[A. Pole]

Enter Judge May. "The witness is not a forensic expert and cannot be expected to know these things." In other words, Mr. Hendrie's expertise had a dual nature. It was sufficient when he was testifying against Mr. Milosevic, but woefully inadequate when he was challenged.

Those proceedings are so bizarre and surreal that they beat the Alice's Adventures in Wonderland . Some day someone will write the theater piece or a book titled Slobo's Adventures in the Netherland. And the awesome "Judge May" is straight from the Lewis Carroll world. I cannot wait.

[A. Pole]

Judge May says the 26th of July is the deadline for 'prosecution' witnesses.

26th of July of 2003?

[DTA]

You know the saying "Rome defeated Greece, but Greece conquered Rome" (by culture)

Was Communism defeated or conquerred?Western media resembles Brezhnev's Pravda and Izvestya: No truth and no news inside. ICTY is copycat of Vishinsky's Moscow trials. I would say that Communism merely changed the shape and color. And sneaked to locale near you.

It's still long way to conquer the beast.

[A. Pole]

Bob, you're a smart guy, and I respect your intelligence but I think you're wrong on Slobo and have gotten suckered into the idea that he has been fighting the good fight against the NWO.

Using your logic we would have to support Nazi Reichstag fire show trial since the accused were bad Commies and Moscow show trials of the 1930's since the accused were also bad Commies (the ones who fell out of Stalin's favour).

And, appealing to your selfish interest, what is the guarantee that the precedent of this international sham circus "justice" will not be applied against you or people you care about. Do not ask for whom the bells toll, they toll for YOU!

[Incorrigible]

Western media resembles Brezhnev's Pravda and Izvestya

I was going to bring this up when Hoplite brought up the credibility of ICDSM.

People have posted recent Pravda articles that were more factual than the Western press.  And not just about the Balkans but in general.

It's depressing quite frankly.  However, this is the battleground for FreeRepubic.com and the Washington Post and LA Times and others know it.  Who will control the levers of the press.  The Bloggers (essentially FR members) or the Western Media-Matrix that is now under an oligarchy of ownership.

The Newark Star Ledger, essentially my local paper, has an 800,000 subscriber list and sells over 1 million papers including non-subscribers.  It is the 800 pound guerilla of news in NJ.  The most they have done with respect to the Milosevic trial is reprint the AP story of the day if that.

I've made note a number of times that my grandparents all came from Ireland and I really had little interest or knowledge about the Balkans until Beelzebubba started to threaten Yugoslavia with bombing.  During the bombing campaign, I felt like I was participating in history as we deconstructed everything Gen. Clark, Albright, Cohen and of course Clinton and Blair had to say.  Real time proof of bald faced lies!

What was surreal for me then was the thought of the baby boomers (I'm Gen X) running the press outlets that outright backed the bombing and uncritically presented the lies.  This includes the BBC (What my Ireland born wife likes to call "The real news").  These were the same people out on college campuses protesting the war in Vietnam.  Robert McNamara, defense secretary for Kennedy and Johnson, published his book, In Retrospect: The Tragedy and Lessons of Vietnam in 1996, in which he reveals he was a traitorous liar (how he walks around in public I'll never understand) and not only allowed US service members to die but pushed them to their death.  Given these revelations, you would think the baby boomers writing the articles and questioning the government (Remember "Question Authority") would have been more circumspect.

Alas, it is up to us DTA.