Posted on 06/10/2002 3:22:12 PM PDT by forest
There are times I wish I had become a lawyer, just to screw these bastards. Best of luck; hope it works.
Well, that means that the Klamath Falls Project was itself unconstitutional and that the facilities need to be demolished posthaste, with all land taken by eminent domain for the project returned to their rightful owners, heirs, or assigns, and all land held by the the State of Oregon prior to the Klamath Falls Project being returned to the State.
We don't need no steeenking truth!
Have you ever seen any tyranny that you didn't love?
This isn't "resistance to tyranny," it's a bunch of farmers saying they have a right to public subsidy.
Hardly.
You misinterpret the Constitution. It plainly says that Congress has the power to "RAISE armies" (but no appropriation for said armies shall last more than two years), but it has the power to MAINTAIN a navy (which can include a landing force--the Marines, and has done so from the earliest days of the Republic).
An argument could be made (and the Libertarian Froot Loop Fringe actually does attempt to make it) that the Air Force is unconstitutional.
If you really wanted to argue those points, then the Army, as it stands today, is legal (its budget appropriations are for this fiscal year only, and Congress can, if they choose to do so, zero out the Army's budget tomorrow and close it down October 1st). The Navy and Marine Corps are also legal. The Air Force is on shaky ground, but a simple Congressional reorganization can transfer its assets to the Navy (many of its assets already directly support the Navy's missions). The Coast Guard can also be considered an element of the Navy.
You've peddled that lie here before, but Jeff and AuntB presented credible evidence that the participants paid off every penny and more. - There is no subsidy, the operations turn a profit.
Well, yeah. Once you delete the initial subsidy (I sure as hell can't swing an interest-free loan, nor can I force land sales at gunpoint, nor can I just make a sweetheart deal with the statehouse for their lands, nor can I simply rewrite a treaty with the local Indian tribe at the drop of a hat), it makes a profit.
If they had to pay market prices for the land AND the loans, this thing would have gone broke in a few years.
Like I said, the plaintiffs' case reduces down to "it may be unconstitutional as hell, but it's OUR pet unconstitutionality, so we ought to continue deriving the benefits thereupon."
Nope, as far as I am concerned, you're taking your interpretation of the plaintiff's claim's to your logical conclusion ... the logic of which is extremely dubious IMHO.
The pertinent Reclamationm Act was a contract between the government and the people involved. The government has not kept faith with the terms or conditions of the contract. What should happen is that the project should be privatized as was intended. Your claims about these particular farmers being on some kind of free ride as respects this project or the water involved are so much smoke and hot air whose only purpose is (IMHO) to support your own position.
But [YAWN], what else is new? 'Nuff said.
Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!
Molon Labe !!
I don't mean to imply that the problems in Klamath are small by saying Klamath is a small picture, but the big picture problem is the continued expansion of Federal Reserved Water Rights.
Judicial Activism in the last half of the 20th century has created a 800# gorilla that can trump any pre-existing water right. It has created much uncertainty thru-out the west. Those Klamath water rights are a 100 years old. There are some threatened rights that go back to the Spaniards.
Babbitt said: "If we can control the water, we can control the West".
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