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Hershey Restarts Plant with Temp Workers
Reuters Business Report ^ | Tuesday June 4, 12:01 pm Eastern Time | Cris Foehlinger

Posted on 06/04/2002 10:04:06 AM PDT by Vladiator

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To: tcostell
From time to time I imagine the public schools major league baseball re-opening with temp teachers players. A guy can dream can't he?
21 posted on 06/04/2002 1:02:27 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Talkwire
"The early Socialists, frequently called Utopians, developed concepts of ideal societies to be attained through the spread of education and establishment and expansion of cooperative colonies. The word Utopia, meaning "nowhere," was taken from the work of that name published by Sir Thomas More in 1516, in which Utopia was the name of an imaginary island that enjoyed approximate perfection in politics, laws, etc..."

"...View of Human Nature. Utopian Socialists, like later advocates of Socialism, condemned the inequalities and injustices they saw as prevailing under the system of private ownership of the means of production and distribution and advocated various forms of social ownership. In general they contended that man was by nature good and capable of developing to the highest perfection. However, misery and suffering was seen on every side. The reason for this was that man had tampered with the original, perfect constitution of human society, which in essence provided for the common ownership of property. Such devices as private property had destroyed society's natural harmony."

"Mankind thus had a duty of reconstituting the "natural order" among men. This could be done through the spread of knowledge concerning the laws underlying the "natural order," as the acquiring of such knowledge would assure its practical application. Mankind, when it once knew the truth, would naturally assist in making need changes. The new doctrines should be preached to the rich, who also suffered from the existing order, as well as to the poor. Indeed, special effort should be made to convert the rich and powerful, for their conversion would help materially in reaching the masses."

copyright Collier's Encyclopedia 1988 page 121 "Socialism"

22 posted on 06/04/2002 1:30:30 PM PDT by rapsux
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To: Vladiator
How factories work. You can hire competent workers..pay them a decent wage, making it possible for them to support their families, put money away for college for the kids, and make it possible for them to own a decent home. As a result of making your employees feel a part of the business...you reap the benefits. You become a multimillionaire.

Or...you can hire people off the street, hire illegals, and pay them minimum wage with no benefits and make a gazillion dollars.......for a brief period.

There is a vast difference between capitalism and outright greed. Greed abounds in this country, now that we have thrown open the gates to illegals who are willing to accept minimum wage..with no benefits. I have never belonged to a union....but I will never eat another Hershey bar. To hell with em'.

23 posted on 06/04/2002 2:42:17 PM PDT by JessicaDragonet
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To: JessicaDragonet
How factories work. You can hire competent workers..pay them a decent wage, making it possible for them to support their families, put money away for college for the kids, and make it possible for them to own a decent home. As a result of making your employees feel a part of the business...you reap the benefits. You become a multimillionaire

I come from N.J., and I'm here to tell you that the union lie regarding how you'll live without them is nothing but crap. The idea that people who live in states not run by unions are in some way inferior is nothing but union propaganda. Rapsux

24 posted on 06/04/2002 3:09:58 PM PDT by rapsux
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To: Willie Green
So true Willie...the union thinks that Hershey is to blame for the skyrocketing healthcare costs.

I'm gonna buy whole boxes of Hershey's product as gifts for the forseeable future.

25 posted on 06/04/2002 3:19:18 PM PDT by GrinFranklin
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To: JessicaDragonet
I worked part time while in school. I earned $40.00 or 50.00 dollars a week, without any benifits, yet I had to pay union dues. I didn't have a choice. Pay up or don't work.
26 posted on 06/04/2002 3:21:38 PM PDT by rapsux
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To: JessicaDragonet
It's ridiculous to think that they will hire illegals with the scrutiny of greedy union members right outside.

Hershey's will be fine. Lots of folks were waiting to get those unionists cushy jobs anyway. Let the union folks start their own chocolate business.

27 posted on 06/04/2002 3:23:07 PM PDT by GrinFranklin
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To: JessicaDragonet
How factories work. You can hire competent workers..pay them a decent wage, making it possible for them to support their families, put money away for college for the kids, and make it possible for them to own a decent home. As a result of making your employees feel a part of the business...you reap the benefits. You become a multimillionaire.

Couldn't agree more. I was operations manager of a plant where wages increased 25% at the same time profits increased 16%. Quality increased dramatically at the same time. All "As a result of making your employees feel a part of the business".

28 posted on 06/04/2002 3:34:51 PM PDT by jimt
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To: jimt
BTW, non-union shop.
29 posted on 06/04/2002 3:35:55 PM PDT by jimt
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To: Vladiator
These folks are going to strike themselves out of jobs. I would expect Hershey to follow other candy makers to Canada or Mexico. Not because of labor costs per se, but because of US sugar quotas, thanks to which sugar costs twice as much here as the rest of the world. If they move the factory they halve the cost of the main ingredient, and can produce candy for a lot less and import it tarrif free.
30 posted on 06/04/2002 3:50:18 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: GrinFranklin
So true Willie...the union thinks that Hershey is to blame for the skyrocketing healthcare costs.

"Insurance" has become synonomous with "let somebody else pay" which, of course, isn't feasible if the plan is to remain solvent.
In fact, medical insurance firms place a massive, bureaucratic financial burden on health care costs, despite so-called health care savings strategies such as HMOs, etc. etc.
I'd wager that a very small fraction of medical insurance premiums are used to pay for actual medical care.

I certainly don't favor the communized Hillary Health Care plan, that's just more of the "let somebody else pay" strategy ("somebody else" being We the Taxpayers).

I wonder what would happen at the opposite extreme: BAN any and all forms of health insurance!

31 posted on 06/04/2002 3:50:52 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Talkwire
Unions = thugs and/or socialists.

Pretty big assumption there, pal. Most polls show GOP support among rank-and-file organized labor to be equal to or greater than the population as a whole. I agree that many socialists have exploited unions for many years, and that those same monsters have used heavy-handed tactics (crime) to further their cause. Most union members are highly productive members of society that love the USA. They vote GOP as much as anyone. Their leadership is in lockstep with Democrats, because the management they bargain against uses GOP statists to tip the scales in favor of management. If the GOP were not reflexively anti-labor, labor would not be reflexively anti-GOP.

If we are going to paint with a broad brush, given that the incarceration rate of blacks dwarfs that of union members engaging in union activity, and that blacks vote Dem in excess of 92% while union members barely crack 50%, why don't you start generalizing about the habits and motives of North American blacks?

You don't because you know that is wrong.

32 posted on 06/04/2002 3:55:46 PM PDT by Orion
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To: Willie Green
I'd wager that a very small fraction of medical insurance
premiums are used to pay for actual medical care.

At least not for the care of the person being billed.

It has been routine in this country since the 50's to overcharge
those with insurance. It is done to pay for charity work. The
government knows this, but it lets wealth be transferred
without raising your taxes.

Care to guess what it costs California Insurance Customers to
care for the illegals? Major state insurance group, STRS
raised rates 25% this year.

33 posted on 06/04/2002 4:30:26 PM PDT by itsahoot
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To: ex con
Perhaps Hershey should re-locate the plant. Cuba, Mexico, Bermuda.
35 posted on 06/04/2002 4:39:25 PM PDT by mulligan
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To: Vladiator
Bravo for Hershery's. I might have to buy me a few bags of Kisses to offset some of the posters who have pledged to boycott. Nobody has a right to a "living wage" or a to be paid a salary that lets you put your kid through college. All those things are properly categorized under the heading of "That's Your Problem". You want to be looked after like that? Go to a socialist country- that's what socialism is all about and nothing could be more un American.

What you have a right to do is seek employment- but you don't have a right to a job. Your employer has the last word in how much you get paid- bottom line. You don't like it, nobody is forcing you to work there. It's called freedom. You don't like freedom- support labor unions. Socialism/communism after all is just a nation wide labor union. If you support unions and you call yourself a conservative- you're a leftist and just don't know it.

I'd be one of those scab workers if I were unemployed and lived in that area and I'd gladly take a Louisville slugger to work with me if the union thugs wanted to get ugly- hell, I'll fight for my job too and it would be a pleasure to beat on the heads of people that believe in union principles. Unions are evil.

36 posted on 06/04/2002 4:47:45 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: nanny;janetgreen
The problem is NOT with the employees, the problem is with the lawyers hitting up insurance companies and doctors with frivolous lawsuits making healthcare costs skyrocket for non-health care related litigation. My health care premium of which I already pay 100% is going up by 25%. Also, costs for those who can't pay are charged to those who can(i.e., the major corporations with large group plans)

We have to compete with the likes of China and Mexico who have no EPA, no OSHA, no MINIMUM WAGE, no Social Security, no CALPERS, no Medicare, and we pay $6.75 per hour or more(here in Kalifornia) for workers who can't read or write, much less think.

Why aren't our Congresscritters working on getting us more competitive in the 'global' market, instead of less.

'Tort Reform' would be a big help to American industry and productivity. Think the American Bar Association(ABA) will cut off their 'gravy'? No more than accountants will end the IRS or teachers will end tenure, IMHO. America loses!!!

37 posted on 06/04/2002 4:52:59 PM PDT by d14truth
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To: Orion
"If the GOP were not reflexively anti-labor, labor would not be reflexively anti-GOP."

You speak the truth. I don't agree, however, with the phrasing. If 'labor management' weren't so reflexively 'dictatorial and anti-business'; then, business would not be so reflexively anti-labor.

IMHO, the 'BIG' problems(or the BIG problem solvers) lie with top management of both the 'white collar and blue collar' workers.

38 posted on 06/04/2002 5:05:49 PM PDT by d14truth
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To: janetgreen
Amen! To the barricades. I wonder how much of a hit Hersheys' management is willing to take. parsy.
39 posted on 06/04/2002 5:13:14 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: rapsux
I remember reading H. Allen Smith's "Life in a Putty Knife Factory", where he reluctantly joined the journalists' union (back in the 40's). But he really didn't buy into it, because (and I paraphrase):

Socialists' major mistake is assuming that humans are nice people.

40 posted on 06/04/2002 5:13:32 PM PDT by lds23
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