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The Music of the Spheres, or the Metaphysics of Music
ISI.ORG ^ | Fall 2001 | Robert R. Reilly

Posted on 06/03/2002 8:57:40 PM PDT by cornelis

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To: cornelis
"purposeful purposelessness,"

Would be a good name for Keith Richards.

21 posted on 06/04/2002 7:11:46 AM PDT by Eddeche
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To: driftless
"some things are so stupid only intellectuals believe them"

That's very good, Drift. I hope you don't mind if I quote you.

I remember one college professor who was carried away by the sound of nuts and bolts jolted by a running motor. I think that was one of Cage's opera.

It also brings to mind the political opinions of so many "Liberal" academic "intellectuals".

22 posted on 06/04/2002 7:16:16 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: twigs
Twigs, could you recommend some Asian music, maybe on CD's? I suspect that there must be some very good music that I just don't know about, especially Chinese, Japanese, and Indian.
23 posted on 06/04/2002 7:21:02 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: xp38
I still like that old joke about titty rump titty rump. Ted Turner's father told that to me (et al.) many years ago one night at Tybee Island.
24 posted on 06/04/2002 7:26:32 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: cornelis
In a related thread, German Church Hosts Cage Concert

Here's the start:

FRANKFURT, Germany (AP) - A performance of an organ piece by American composer John Cage that is meant to last 639 years began in an eastern German church with 16 months of silence.

The project honoring Cage's avant-garde work started at midnight Tuesday in Halberstadt and foresees taking the composer at his word by stretching Organ2/ASLSP - the letters stand for As Slow As Possible - over centuries.

25 posted on 06/04/2002 7:47:59 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: T. P. Pole
Call me when they get ready to play the next note.
26 posted on 06/04/2002 8:03:40 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: cornelis
Of course, music is most influential when it is not entirely bad; it would hardly be popular in an absolute style for very long. Cage is not played on the radio.

Yes, and comic books are influential literature. However, I suppose most people left them ages past and their libraries contain great books not comic books.

It would take a stiff monetary incentive for me to sit through Cage. I'd rather listen to a mosquito in a dark room.

27 posted on 06/04/2002 8:08:05 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Savage Beast
"Then when I reread it, it was as clear as crystal."

Even after reading it twice I felt I only had an autistic glimpse of who the characters were.

I would be grateful if you could shed just a little light on this book for me.

28 posted on 06/04/2002 8:10:10 AM PDT by avg_freeper
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To: Savage Beast
Good recording of 4'33" by "Music Minus All."
29 posted on 06/04/2002 8:13:21 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Savage Beast
I do not know any. I just know that this couple really likes it. They like a singer who died while relatively young (like in her 30's). They were not allowed to listen to her under earlier communist rule--she recorded from Hong Kong. The husband thinks the ultimate irony of her life was that she sang about love but could never find it herself. Sorry that I've been of no help. I will see them soon; I'll plan to ask them.
30 posted on 06/04/2002 8:13:27 AM PDT by twigs
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To: cornelis
John Cage must have been into some serious drugs.
31 posted on 06/04/2002 8:20:15 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: avg_freeper
Well...I'm just an average man with an average brain...and...it took this college teacher an hour and a half to explain it to me--and I had read it four times--and she's adept at teaching, and I'm...well...not the best, but...

It really is a wonderful and very rich book, and I love it (though I doubt that I would have liked Falkner if I had known him personally).

I guess one thing I like is Falkner's concepts of life, time, civilization, reality, et al. which are easier to grasp in Absalom! Absalom!. The entire book, I think, may be an expansion of the theme from MacBeth--whether life has any meaning or not. I think Falkner's answer is that life is deep and rich with meaning.

I love the way Benjy tells the whole story, even though he's an idiot and doesn't understand any of it, but it's all there. The meaning of everything is there before us all, though we may not have the capacity to understand it.

I love the way it jumps back and forth in time, like memory or dream, and raises questions about the difference, if there is any, between reality and illusion.

I love the way the form of his works is an inextricable part of the content. Maybe life's like that.

One of his prvailing ideas is that all of life, all of history, is paraded before everyone's eyes, whether we be in a small town in Mississippi or wherever, over and over again; it's all there for us to see. Falkner's concept may have influenced my own conviction that the cosmos is God's holy scripture and that Truth is there for all of us to read.

The plot of The Sound and the Fury, it seems to me, is subordinate to everything else Falkner has to say. The Compsons are decadent aristocracy. Quentin commits suicide. Caddie comes to a dismal end. Etc. I think the plot, such as it is, is a vehicle for everything else, and one might say that the stories--or plots--of our lives are similarly vehicles for everything else.

I hope I've done justice to this. Many people could answer the question a lot better than I can, Avg. Maybe someone here on FR will.

One of my most memorable experiences--ever--was a day in The National Museum in Athens. The guide had a B.S. in archeology and she had been conducting tours there for 20 years. The first thing she said was: "I'm not going to show you anything that is great. I'm going to show you what I like." She did. And she explained to me why she liked it! What she found in it. What it said to her and not to anyone else. Sometimes she explained why she didn't like something and why something was inferior, even though it might appeal to someone else. She absolutely blew my mind. I have never gotten over that experience. I wish I could thank her. --SB

32 posted on 06/04/2002 9:22:00 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: twigs
Yes, ask them. Let us know. Thanks. --SB
33 posted on 06/04/2002 9:23:35 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: Savage Beast
Call me when they get ready to play the next note.

Next note?

"The first three notes won't be played until Jan. 5, 2003. Until then, time will be marked by the sound of air rushing through the bellows."

Mark your calendars.

34 posted on 06/04/2002 9:30:31 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: T. P. Pole
"Mark your calendars."

Couldn't you just give me a ring?

35 posted on 06/04/2002 9:45:39 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: cornelis
We can say that art, musical or pictoral, has two kinds of expression: the hieratic and the demotic.

That's logical. Can art be analyzed with art?

36 posted on 06/04/2002 9:55:35 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Savage Beast
Enjoyed reading your reply. And you are right, many things of great quality are not understood. And much literature, once understandable, has become obscure. There is no way that E.D. Hirsch (What Every 3rd Grader Ought to Know) will bring us up to speed on Pound's Cantos. One must first be responsible for the Rennaissance.

Still, life is short and often works of profound complexity yield no reward. It just isn't worthwhile studying Derrida or Foucault, not to speak of the mountains of secondary literature responding to it (perhaps Levinas is a worthwhile exception). Modern art has been at first deliberately private (even in the case of Faulkner, Joyce, and imitators) and then even more so by being deliberately intended not to be understood. This last is part of the tendency toward a dehumanization which concerned Ortega.

All good things come through hard work.

Thanks for you thoughts. There's probably more to be said.

37 posted on 06/04/2002 10:07:27 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: RightWhale
Can art be analyzed with art?

Yes, unless I've misunderstood what you mean. Is meaning self-referential? No.

38 posted on 06/04/2002 10:21:11 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: T. P. Pole
Thanks for the link.

Freeper Dakmar responds "These folks need to let about 100 pounds of air pressure out of their egos."

There is a good chapter on egotism in Richard Weaver's Ideas Have Consequences

In the absence of truth there is no necessity, and this observation may serve as an index to the position of the modern egotist. Having become incapable of knowing, he becomes incapable of working, in the sense that all work is a bringing of the ideal from potentiality into actuality. We perceive this simply when his egotism prevents realization that he is an obligated creature, bound to rational employment. The modern worker does not, save in rare instances, respond to the ideal in the task.

39 posted on 06/04/2002 10:40:36 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: cornelis
Here are a few tautologies, just to show where this is coming from:
Art is not an articulate form of expression, does not convey meaning. Art works while it acts on the recipient, when it is not acting it is not art and may not exist at all. Meaning lies in the logical world, not the artistic world. Analysis is a tool of logical meaning; aesthetics is an aspect of emotional expression - art.
40 posted on 06/04/2002 10:51:22 AM PDT by RightWhale
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