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Bush Middle East Policy Explained
Self | 5/21/2002 | Rockitz

Posted on 05/21/2002 8:26:28 AM PDT by Rockitz

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IMHO.
1 posted on 05/21/2002 8:26:29 AM PDT by Rockitz
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To: Rockitz
Agreed, IMHO, Bush KNOWS what he is doing and we should trust him to always do what he believes is best for the nation.
2 posted on 05/21/2002 8:31:58 AM PDT by Mahone
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To: Rockitz
Bush Middle East Policy Explained

Oil...

3 posted on 05/21/2002 8:34:33 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr
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I'm just not sure I'm willing to allow these "misguided" muslims to kill tens of thousands of innocent Americans whilst they're "learning to appreciate an open society".

IMHO there are many musims who prefer death over allowing "open societies" to exist. We should oblige them.

If innocents must die, why allow them to be American (maybe even me or you?).

4 posted on 05/21/2002 8:35:02 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Mahone
Thanks. Bump this to your friends.
5 posted on 05/21/2002 8:35:19 AM PDT by Rockitz
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To: Principled
Bush carefully directed our current war efforts at terrorists and not Muslims- 99.9% of Muslims are not as radical as those who would sacrifice themselves to kill others.
6 posted on 05/21/2002 8:39:46 AM PDT by Rockitz
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To: Jeremiah Jr
See the last paragraph of my post.
7 posted on 05/21/2002 8:40:37 AM PDT by Rockitz
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To: anniegetyourgun, JohnHuang2, infowars, boris, dallas, gillmeister, spar, tomball, Kobyashi1942, a
Bump.
8 posted on 05/21/2002 8:50:28 AM PDT by Rockitz
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With respect, how can you expect to be taken seriously if you write that "Islam is indefensible as a faith, a sham religion".....that comment alone should stop anyone from reading further..

but to further deconstruct your lack of logic, take the opening sentence of the second paragraph.."the absolute necessity to appear objective to the Arabs.." There is so much wrong with every premise in this sentence I don't know where to begin

9 posted on 05/21/2002 8:59:47 AM PDT by ken5050
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I think there is a classic explanation... Have you ever seen the brilliant Peter Sellers film "Being There".

For all who have seen the film, no explanation is necessary.

For those who have not... well...

Here is a portion of the review of the movie.

Peter Sellers plays a mentally retarded gardener who has lived and worked all of his life inside the walls of an elegant Washington town house. The house and its garden are in a decaying inner-city neighborhood, but what goes on outside is of no concern to Sellers: He tends his garden, he watches television, he is fed on schedule by the domestic staff, he is content.

Then one day the master of the house dies. The household is disbanded. Sellers, impeccably dressed in his employer's privately tailored wardrobe, wanders out into the city. He takes along the one possession he'll probably need: His remote-control TV channel switcher. He uses it almost immediately; surrounded by hostile street kids, he imperturbably tries to switch channels to make them go away. He hasn't figured out that, outside his garden, life isn't television.

And that is the movie's basic premise, lifted intact from a Jerzy Kosinski novel. The Sellers character knows almost nothing about real life, but he has watched countless hours of television and he can be pleasant, smile, shake hands, and comport himself; he learned from watching all those guests on talk shows. He knows nothing about anything, indeed, except gardening. But when he stumbles into Washington's political and social upper crust, his simple truisms from the garden ("Spring is a time for planting") are taken as audaciously simple metaphors. This guy's a Thoreau! In no time at all, he's the closest confidant of a dying billionaire industrialist (Melvyn Douglas) - and the industrialist is the closest confidant of the president.

This is, you can see, a one-joke premise. It has to be if the Sellers performance is to work. The whole movie has to be tailored to the narrow range within which Sellers' gardener can think, behave, speak, and make choices. The ways in which this movie could have gone out of control, could have been relentlessly boring on the one hand, or manic with its own audacity on the other, are endless. But the tone holds. That's one of the most exhilarating aspects of the joy you can sense, as Ashby pulls this off: Every scene needs the confidence to play the idea completely straight.

There are wonderful comic moments, but they're never pushed so far that they strain the story's premise. Some of them involve: a battle between the CIA and the FBI as to which agency destroyed the gardener's files; Shirley MacLaine unsuccessfully attempts to introduce Sellers to the concept of romance; Sellers as a talk-show guest himself (at last!), and Sellers as the hit of a Washington cocktail party. The movie also has an audacious closing shot that moves the film's whole metaphor into a brand-new philosophical arena.

What is Being There about? I've read reviews calling it an indictment of television. But that doesn't fit; Sellers wasn't warped by television, he was retarded to begin with, and has TV to thank for what abilities he has to move in society. Is it an indictment of society, for being so dumb as to accept the Sellers character as a great philosophical sage? Maybe, but that's not so fascinating either. I'm not really inclined to plumb this movie for its message, although I'm sure that'll be a favorite audience sport. I just admire it for having the guts to take this weird conceit and push it to its ultimate comic conclusion.

My take is that Bush is a little bit of Chauncey Gardner.. with his simple ideas swayed and twisted by the State Dept. Also, the State Dept is a bit of Chauncey as well, having not figured out yet that life is NOT "make love not war" that they were brought up on in the 60's.

And so... the nation is busily engaged in trying to assign great depth to the simplemindedness of the WH with regards to the Middle East. Oh well, folly is never in short supply.

10 posted on 05/21/2002 9:06:04 AM PDT by besieged
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To: Rockitz
IMHO, you are correct!
11 posted on 05/21/2002 9:06:19 AM PDT by IVote2
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"Bush is walking a tightrope between our true desire to support Israel and the absolute necessity to appear objective to the Arab nations and Muslims, in general. "

In other words be 'slick' as in Clintonesque. "Depends on what 'appear objective is', is". Past time to figure out what is best for America's future and come right out with it. If he thinks there should be a Palestine State, get rolling. If he think there should not be a Palestine State, then don't slick spin about it.

12 posted on 05/21/2002 9:12:52 AM PDT by ex-snook
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To: ken5050
I don't have time to tutor you on Islam but if you are interested you can consult any of the following websites which will enlighten you.

answering-islam

FaithDefenders

muhammadism

I stand by my statements.

13 posted on 05/21/2002 9:13:39 AM PDT by Rockitz
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How do you reconcile your comment in post# 6, with the excerpt I cited....and please, I'm not trying to flame you, didn't mean to sound that way, it's not my intent.
14 posted on 05/21/2002 9:18:19 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: ex-snook
Jordan is a Palestinian state and Arafat was offered power there but refused. He wants Israel, pure and simple. See Farah's article in WND yesterday.
15 posted on 05/21/2002 9:20:10 AM PDT by Rockitz
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To: besieged
Indeed. This is not the first time the GWB foreign policy has been analogized as that of an idiot savant. Forest Gump was the character of choice, however, with the take-it-as-it comes philosophy, "life is like a box of chocolates, sometimes you don't know what you're going to get." Of course, the WH and the State Dept. appear unaware that you should NOT be getting you're chocolate box from Lucretia Borgia...
16 posted on 05/21/2002 9:22:29 AM PDT by Paul Ross
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To: ken5050
The truth is that, as I was saying in my original post, most Muslims can't even read the Quran and don't know what they believe. The same case could be made for many Christians with regard to knowing what they believe. The point is that the radical element of Islam that knows exactly what the Quran says and believes it, control the mosques, the schools, the government, and the military might. They are that 0.1% I was referring to. Islam is a mind-control religion used very successfully, I might add, by the Nazis to control their SS troops. You appeared to be attacking by statements against Islam which I contend is a sham religion and I was merely pointing out sites where you can read it for yourself. I stated clearly my point. In an intermediary role as we find ourselves, we must appear objective to the Arab nations even though our ultimate loyalty is to Israel. Have I made myself clear?
17 posted on 05/21/2002 9:34:50 AM PDT by Rockitz
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Good piece. This is what i would like to believe with more conviction. But, the following statement is the puzzler.

the absolute necessity to appear objective to the Arab nations and Muslims, in general.

Why is this such an article of faith. Where is even a minimal amount of indication that we gain anything by it? Seems to lead right into FBI director Mueller's attitude that future terrorist strikes, perhaps conducted by persons already here in the US are inevitable. There may be blond muslims in the future, but for right now why can't we get a handle and identify every male to start with that fits the profile of terrorist attackers against the US for the past 25 years or so.

18 posted on 05/21/2002 9:39:33 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Rockitz
Thanks for your comments....I've got to get back to gainful employment now, will reply later on...just wanted to make sure you understood that I was questioning, not disparaging.....it's not my style....regards..
19 posted on 05/21/2002 9:39:55 AM PDT by ken5050
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