Posted on 05/21/2002 7:55:47 AM PDT by ThreeOfSeven
Ummm... no. The Arabs created the PLO, with some cheering on from the Euros. Your claim is an exceedingly delusional one.
begin assimilation of the palestinians as future citizens
Assimilation of large masses of Arab Muslims into Israel as citizens is impossible. The only way these people will ever become citizens of Israel is as corpses. They can then be dead citizens. Live, they'll be human bombs with rabies, bent on the final destruction of anything Jewish, be it the state, the religion, or the people.
But you know all this.
Save it for the sheeple. I know what you are.
Oh boo hoo. And with homicide bombers trying to sneak into Israel Jews DAILY (sometimes putting bombers in ambulances), what would you prefer? A ticker-tape parade for the perps? Are you against the new methods WE have employed at airports? Where 'thousands of busy Americans are being detained and searched' (humiliated??) by security people?
"Large-scale demolition of houses"
Hardly. Try removal of illegal squatters nests and bomb factories.
"a state-sponsored policy of assassinations".
I doubt we plan to bring Osama Bin Laden here for trial.
"discriminatory laws for the sake of the illegal settlements".
The settlements are not illegal.
There are Arab Israelis who fought alongside Israeli Jews in all three wars. They consider themselves loyal Israeli citizens. How can that be? Because they have a stake, and they know that whatever social, moral or ethical problems their government has, it beats the heck out of the corrupt states surrounding them.
As for the PLO, Israel agreed to self rule except for military units, and in essence helped to create the racketeering organization. Of course, easy to point fingers in hindsight, but I don't think its a policy that bears any fruition of peace, and annexation and assimilation do.
....Oh boo hoo. And with homicide bombers trying to sneak into Israel DAILY to kill Jews...(sometimes putting bombers in ambulances)...etc.
You must really dislike the Arab states and Arafat then. No free press, no free elections, women treated like dogs, in Arafat's case 'traitors' lynched in the public square, (in front of children), despots and dictators (Arafat is a Marxist by the way) galore...
Oh. You believe the PLO has only existed since Oslo. So you don't even know the most basic basics. Go back and read your modern history :).
There's no legitimate grounds here. So, I don't admire them any more then the maggots they're defending.
And the fact that the refuseniks have their day in court, while any counterparts in the PLO have their day with a bullet in the head, does more to make me sympathetic to Israel than any blind pro-zionist blah-blah that accuses anyone of being unamerican and fascist and pro-terrorist just because they do not worship israel.
I would not endorse a bullet in their head nor a bullet in the head of the average Berkleyite, BUT I do of course reserve and intend to excercise the RIGHT I have to tell them what worthless garbage they are.
I am against the current Israeli tactics, which are none too new.
What "tactics' are these, fighting terrorism? < mock horror > God forbid! </ mock horror >
The PLO (just another mafia-clone) is in fact an Israeli creation as much as anyone's.
This sounds like liberal scapegoating. Just as the black mugger is the creation of white "oppression". I hate scapegoating, its mraxist crappola, and it makes me sick.
I think they should have taken the recent opportunity, taken out Arafat and the PLO leadership, annexed the occupied territories, begin assimilation of the palestinians as future citizens (with fierce sedition laws and enforcement), and count on a larger, more prosperous and less troubled nation.
Not a bad suggestion, however the Palestinians have had all the opportunities to assimilate that any other group of Arabs, several of whom have assimilated themselves within Israel and have done quite well for having done it. But the Palestinians blew it.
Idealism? Somewhat, but I am a firm believer in giving someone something to live for rather than die for.
The Palestinians have had everything to live for. They could have assimilated themsleves into Israel society, where they would have been better off than living in ANY arab land, but they opted for hate instead. They could have had they're own state. But they opted for hate instead. They can still have their own state, but they still are opting for hate.
IMO They should be thrown out. And let all those arabs who claim to love them and grieve for their pseudo-oppression give them land to live on.
The Palestinians have been their own worst enemies, not Israel, and they deserve everything they get and more. They could have had it all, a democracy to live in, or in lieu of that, their own state, but instead every step of the way they opted for hatred, and envy. WHat a worthless bunch of losers. To hell with them.
Looks like some of the rest of the "seven" have shown up.
Right you are. It was Hamas that the Israelis created and funded.
Yes, as a matter of fact! I'd like to see all the corrupt autocratic Arab regimes, all the Kings and Sheiks and Presidents-for-life overthrown and replaced by governments more responsive to the people. Israel proper deserves credit for being a western-style democracy. However, the Israeli occupation is a form of tyranny, the opposite of democracy.
Once again, I realize it is all too easy to criticise in hindsight, and I think Israel made concessions, some of them viewed as necessary evils, in the interests of moving forward. I just don't think anything is moving forward.
Bwahahahaha and where in all the Muslime world would they have more rights?????
I've always thought the the definition of a loser is not a person who never had anything, but rather a loser is someone who could have had everything and threw it away.
The Palestinians could have assimilated themslves into a prosperous democracy, and had rights. But instead they opted for hate.
THey could have had their own state, but again instead opted for hate. And still are.
The Palestinians are truly the worlds biggest losers and self defeating morons. They deserve every bad thing that happens to them and more.
The Palestinians may still be able to assimilate themselves into a prosperous democracy, if they can finally shake off the Israeli occupation.
The Palis are pawns in the Arab world. But I don't see any way out for them until Israel forces them in or out, one way or the other. I believe there is speculation that the IDF has contingency plans to force an eventual refugee evacuation into Jordan. I would rather see them take the opposite course.
I think our biggest difference is that I think it is possible, and (I gather) you do not.
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