Posted on 05/14/2002 2:34:19 PM PDT by rintense
You obviously don't know much about politics to make a statement like this.
Bush had no choice but to sign this bill. If he vetoed it, he would have been committing political suicide. The democrats and liberal media would make sure that everyone knew that Bush vetoed a border security bill. His popularity would drop overnight from the 80% range to under 50%.
I know you love Bush, but you shouldn't let that keep you from thinking logically about matters concerning national security. The USA and its security is much more important than Bush and his popularity.
"There will be no blanket amnesty."
Yet, many, and I do mean MANY, over reacted so severely to 245, that it was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen on FR.com. This 245 was misinterpreted over and over and over again for a blanket amnesty bill- something that was completely wrong, and something that never came to fruition. Even President Bush's 'There will be no...' statement was regarded as a lie by many. Just proves that it is easier to complain than it is to compliment.
Over and over and over and......
President Bush is not a stupid man. He has very wise people advising him as well. It is no secret that a vast majority of the public does not want a blanket amnesty. He knows full well that it would be political suicide.
Thanks for providing the quote!
Now you tell me why, when that SAME logic is applied to why Bush signed CFR, he's maligned as not being principled?
It isn't about being a Bush bot, Bush lover, or whatever else you want to label me. It's about having faith in the President. It's about the double standard and the knee-jerk reactions to words that never come to fruition. And I will admit, my support for the President has waived quite a bit lately. But I will always hold on to the faith that there is a bigger picture that we don't always see. Had he vetoed the bill based on that one part that was left out, then I'd be joining the rest of the regular bashers. But it didn't, and I ain't complaining. Call it simple if you want. I call it being patient and getting all the facts before reacting.
Double standards apparently are not confined to the DNC.
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Only by the Bush Apologists and Amnesty Deniers in their straw man attempts to tar those of us spitting fire against Bush and 245(i). It was a limited Amnesty all along.
And it was due to the ferocity of the grass-roots uproar that Bush's attempt at extending Clinton's [245(i) was originally his] Amnesty that it never came to fruition. In part, you can thank those of us on FR who were in the thick of it despite all of the smears against us.
Bush deserves credit for no Amnesty (yet) like Clinton deserves credit for balancing the budget.
The President actually signed a bill that did not include extending amnesty. If he was as hell bent as some think to get this amnesty, he would have vetoed the bill. But he didn't. Therefore...
NO EXTENDED PERIOD FOR CITIZENSHIP APPLICATION. PERIOD.
Make that "PERIOD... HOWEVER..."Your conclusion just isn't logically necessary. Bush signed this bill because it needed signing. He still wants Amnesty, and he'll try again...
And the American public will spank him again.
Watch.
Somebody got the message!
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True, our party has its toadies and lemmings as well.
Obviously we will now see hundreds of articles about the evils of Tom Dachle and how he wants to support amnesty, won't we. Won't we? Bueller?
I've been away for a while, but I've seen several such posts on Daschle's treachery in the past two days.
Bush is not alone, the bipartisan malfeasance on Illegals is a great stench in Washington.
Like I said on another thread, use that SAME argument for CFR and see how far it gets you. Bush signed CFR because it needed to be signed, and yet, he was viciously maligned by the usual suspects.
He may try again, but it won't be in it's current form. And, anything remotely more liberal than the one that got shot down will get shot down again. Sorry, but I think extended amnesty is dead. But keep the crow warm just in case... ;)
He may try again, but it won't be in it's current form. And, anything remotely more liberal than the one that got shot down will get shot down again. Sorry, but I think extended amnesty is dead. But keep the crow warm just in case... ;)How is CFR possibly analogous to Homeland Security?
There is strong public sentiment for Homeland Security, and it makes ethical sense. Neither is true of CFR... It was a bad bill from top to bottom with gossamer public support.
Would Old Crow do?
I just don't see how you can make this leap of faith... Bush has given no indication that he doesn't want Amnesty in some form and appeasement of Vicente Fox.
Bush's questionable history on Illegals goes back to his badmouthing of Prop. #187 in 1994.
What makes you think he's changed?
I'm glad that he signed it without the amnesty. This is a good thing.
And who gets the credit for the fact that the Amnesty was omitted?
Bush?
There's no twisting necessary on this for us "Bashers," we were on the right side, and Bush was on the wrong one.
We won this round, the President lost... and America won.
You'd have to twist to claim otherwise.
If it is dead why does it keep being brought back up and as the Dems said today...at the request of the President? Why do they keep trying to sneak it through?
"But keep the crow warm just in case... ;"
Unlesss you mean dead as in.. to never be brought up again.....Your the one that better keep it warm.
Oh BTW does it still mean it is a dead issue if Bush keeps asking for it?
I should have clarified that I think NOW the extended amnesty is dead. It may get play back in the senate, but I just don't see it going anywhere from there.
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