Israelis arrested in Washington cleared by FBI

Jerusalem Post ^

[Tarakotchi]

"FYI-This later article claims they (those five held after 9/11)were not celebrating on a roof but in a van on a bridge between NY and NJ with knifes in their truck."

Hmm, both your article and RCW2001's post 7 are from the Israeli press using the mothers of the suspects as their best source of information.

This thread Mystery Solved... The Five Jewish Kids In the White Van has some U.S. press articles quoting police spokesmen. See my posts 7 and 12 in particular.

I believe Israeli tourist/movers from Urban Moving Systems were seen celebrating the WTC disaster from three locations in NJ during the course of that day: Liberty State Park, Union City, and their Weehawken warehouse.

[Tarakotchi]

Whatever happened to Elmakias and Katar? Don't they have mothers in Israel to complain to the media?

[Tarakotchi]

Here's more from the Urban Moving Five's lawyer, Gordon:

"In New York, immigration officials began deporting five young Israeli moving men who have been in federal custody since Sept. 11. Two of the deportees, Oded Ellner and Omer Gavriel Marmari, landed in Tel Aviv yesterday. The others, Paul Kurzberg and his brother Sivan, and Yaron Shmuel, were expected to fly to Israel today.

The five aroused attention in New Jersey after people noticed them going to unusual lengths to photograph the World Trade Center ruins and making light of the situation. One photograph developed by the F.B.I. showed Sivan Kurzberg holding a lighted lighter in the foreground, with the smoldering wreckage in the background, said Steven Noah Gordon, a lawyer for the five.

As objectionable as their behavior may be, Mr. Gordon said of their long incarceration, 'It's not a crime and they were being treated as if it was.'

The five were asked to take polygraph tests before being allowed to leave. But Paul Kurzberg refused on principle to divulge much about his role in the Israeli army or subsequently working for people who may have had ties to Israeli intelligence, Mr. Gordon said. His client had trouble with one seven-hour polygraph test administered last week, but did better on a second try.

Mr. Kurzberg's lawyer said it was his understanding that Attorney General John Ashcroft had to sign off on his release."

from "Dozens of Israeli Jews Are Being Kept in Federal Detention", NYT, 11/21/01

[Tarakotchi]

Here's the FR thread to go with that last article.

[veronica]

Still obsessed with old news? USS Liberty? Israelis long cleared of any wrongdoing?Get up to speed

[gaijin]

I saw the link about Middle-Easterners taking pictures of a Connecticut resevoir.

Cause for concern? I think so.

But I don't how the need to put the hurt on some whacky Arabs makes us any more the friend of Israel than pragmatism warrants.

The average Israeli simply does not walk around all day heaping praise on America. Indeed, many of them resent bitterly the help they get from this generous country.

It seems that half of them yearn for murder, the other half for suicide. I just can't wrap my mind around it.

You don't go to picnics with company like that. You get your business done, and promptly go home.

Do I have your permission to be an American patriot?

[veronica]

The average Israeli simply does not walk around all day heaping praise on America. Indeed, many of them resent bitterly the help they get from this generous country.

Really? Have you been to Israel? I have. Most of them love and respect America. Have you any proof of your claims?

[Tarakotchi]

NYT: "His client had trouble with one seven-hour polygraph test administered last week, but did better on a second try.

Mr. Kurzberg's lawyer said it was his understanding that Attorney General John Ashcroft had to sign off on his release"

It sounds like Kurzberg, that American-loving-and-respecting Israeli guy, the f**ker who was photographed flicking his lighter in front of the burning WTC (like 'I did this', no?), wasn't cleared of anything.

What's this other thread you're alerting us to? Are you saying these other "Middle-Easterners" taking pictures of reservoirs in CT are Israelis? Wouldn't surprise me.

[Tarakotchi]

Oops, I mixed up the two Kurzberg brothers.

[veronica]

Why don't you just read what is on the other thread? :) Then you won't be so mixed-up. Or clueless, one might say.

[Tarakotchi]

Ha, ha! I set you up for that, I wondered what punch line/insult you'd come up with.

Regarding the reservoir photographers, it turns out they're not even Middle Eastern but Indian.

I said I wouldn't have been surprised if they were Israeli ("art students") because "Unauthorized photographing of military sites and civilian industrial complexes, such as petroleum-storage facilities, also was reported to the DEA, the documents show and interviews confirm."

[veronica]

You really should quit linking to old debunked articles about the urban myth of the Israeli 'art-student spies.' They've gone back to Israel, while you are still examining the belly-button lint left over from that story. :))

[Tarakotchi]

No comments on my harsh words for Sivan Kurzberg? It's interesting that he identified with the perpetrators of WTC.

I couldn't imagine going to Israel and flicking a lighter in front of a bombed-out pool hall.

[veronica]

Odd that you focus on one Israeli who flicked his Bic in front of the WTC, if he did, when hundreds and hundreds of Arabs/Palestinians etc. celebrated on 9-11, in an orgy of America hating. But that's the thing about the anti-Israel gang. They love to pick apart anything a Jew/Israeli does with a fine tooth comb. I think that's called obsession.

[Tarakotchi]

Who says they're spies? They like to make paintings of petroleum-storage facilities, that's it.

[veronica]

I bought a painting from an Israeli kid last year. It was of 4 Bob Fosse-like figures against a desert-like setting. Unless of course there is some subliminal painting imbedded deep inside the work of art that I have missed.....:))