Timber giant gears up for eco-battles

The Sacramento Bee ^ | May 5, 2002 | Emily Gurnon

[Carry_Okie]

corrupt interest-driven government as offered by the Republicans OR interest-driven corrupt government, but more of it, the insane Democratic alternative!

I call it the RINOcrat Party.

[harpseal]

Actually what I would prefer is to fell and log the trees with the terrorists up in them. After a few tees came down and the remains of the ecoterrorists were splattered on the forest floor there would be fewer mof them willing to climb the trees.

As for stopping food and water being sent to them anyone sending food or water to such an eccoterrorist is engaged in a conspiracy to commit a crime and should be prosecuted for that. Employment of armed USDA agents in the capturing and prosecution of these ecoterrorists might provide a rational for the Federal government having armed them some years ago.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

[mafree]

bttt

[Carry_Okie]

What usually happens is around here that they just work the job around the sitters. The RICOnuts may save a half-dozen trees for a year or two, but it isn't economically worth the $2,000-3,000 stumpage per tree (for a big redwood) to do anything about the sitters at all. The loggers finish the job, the RICOnuts get their paychecks (they do get paid; we had one here who admitted that he was getting $10 per hour as a summer job) and when they eventually leave, the owner drops the marked trees and yards them out with a chopper while doing another job nearby.

The sitters get to sit and watch their efforts rendered pointless.

[Victoria Delsoul]

The Eco-terrorists have no life; terrorism is their life. - We, on the other hand have families, businesses, and other responsibilities that prevent us from turning our lives into a continuous stream of symbolism.

Yep, you have a point there.

[harpseal]

The loggers finish the job, the RICOnuts get their paychecks (they do get paid; we had one here who admitted that he was getting $10 per hour as a summer job)

Whoever is signing those checks for the tree sitters should be sued civilly and prosecuted criminally.

Stay well - Stay safe- Stay armed - Yorktown

[Angelique]

To heck with it. Pinging everybody.

Thank you for the laugh.

Carry, I split my sides...what about Paul Bunyon?

[Angelique]

ES, re:your post l6, c'mon, lighten up. I think farmfriend had a great idea. We could take shifts.

On a serious note, think about what the enviro-nazi's have accomplished with their activism. You and I are paying through the nose.

[Zon]

"We have a strict no-violence code."

Tree sitting is a violent crime as the intent is to impede a person, business or logging company that has earned the right of way. Thus the tree sitter is doing much more than trespassing.

At the same time, activists say their civil disobedience -- tree-sitting, blocking roads, chaining themselves to gates -- is the only way to stop Pacific Lumber and its parent firm, Maxxam Corp.

All of the above -- tree-sitting, blocking roads, chaining themselves to gates -- are criminal acts when they are intentional... with the intent to impede a person, businesses, logging company or lumber company that has earned the right of way. Each crime that goes un-prosecuted rightfully causes taxpayers to increasingly distrust the government.

Some have given their lives to the cause.

Sometimes criminals die while committing their crimes because of their criminal acts.

In 1998, a tree-sitter named David "Gypsy" Chain died on Pacific Lumber land in Humboldt County.

What crime, aside from trespass, was he committing at the time?

And last month, a 22-year-old female protester from Portland died after falling 150 feet from a tree in the Mount Hood National Forest in Oregon.

Like I said, sometimes criminal acts cause the criminal's death. I'm only saddened that the unnamed criminal chose a life of crime in the first place because otherwise she (the unnamed criminal) might still be alive and a productive contributor to her own benefit and society.

A tree-sitter in Freshwater, who gave her name only as "Remedy," said she has spent the past 41 days in a redwood tree because she believes corporations like Maxxam are poisoning water supplies and jeopardizing salmon and birds.

There's a plethora of things that a multitude of people don't like. But unlike Remedy, the don't turn into criminals.

Jim Branham, director of government relations for Pacific Lumber, said that if Earth First activists insist they haven't called themselves eco-terrorists, "we'll accept them at their word on that."

At the very least call them criminals since that is what they are.

Speaking of reparations {g}, when and how much is the government going to give to the businesses that the government bankrupted by alcohol prohibition? Run with it when a reparations thread is posted.

[WhiteyAppleseed]

Tell them that I live in an area where it has been common to see tandemn trailers loaded with cut resources (trees) going to mill for as long as I've been observant. Yet,when I go for a walk in the woods (often) all I can see are trees. A short while after an area is logged, one would be hard-pressed to tell that logging took place there.

Confiscate their TP and see how long it is before they request relief.

Clear-cutting is a method of forestry designed to create a future market and clear-cutting is not used that often.

When these people run out of natural resources to control, or to keep other people from using, they will come knocking on your door.

Tell these people that the Tree of Liberty is endangered and that they should devote their full time to protecting harm to the only Tree worth protecting, the Tree of Liberty.

[Zon]

On a serious note, think about what the enviro-nazi's have accomplished with their activism. You and I are paying through the nose.

Yep, and we pay for a thousand other bogus programs and alphabet agencies. Why? Because we have allowed the IRS and its graduated income tax to continue instead of abolishing them and implementing a consumption tax or national retail sales tax. As long as the IRS and income tax exist the bogus programs will increase their drain on productivity and prosperity.

The enviro-nazis supported and empowered by congress is like all the other bogus programs. Like the non-national, nationally uniformed state drivers license. They are symptoms of a disease. A cancer that continues to spread via money extorted from citizens by the IRS and income tax. We need a cure for the cancer, not Band-Aid relief for the symptoms.

[sistergoldenhair]

Thanks for the ping.

[jadimov]

1.....They'll come down eventually.....

Has anyone given any thought to trying sleep deprivation?

How long can humans stay awake?

The easy experimental answer to this question is 264 hours (about 11 days). In 1965, Randy Gardner, a 17-year-old high school student, set this apparent world-record for a science fair. Several other normal research subjects have remained awake for eight to 10 days in carefully monitored experiments. None of these individuals experienced serious medical, neurological, physiological or psychiatric problems. On the other hand, all of them showed progressive and significant deficits in concentration, motivation, perception and other higher mental processes as the duration of sleep deprivation increased. Nevertheless, all experimental subjects recovered to relative normality within one or two nights of recovery sleep. Other anecdotal reports describe soldiers staying awake for four days in battle, or unmedicated patients with mania going without sleep for three to four days.

In the case of rats, however, continuous sleep deprivation for about two weeks or more inevitably caused death in experiments conducted in Allan Rechtschaffen’s sleep laboratory at the University of Chicago. Two animals lived on a rotating disc over a pool of water, separated by a fixed wall. Brainwaves were recorded continuously into a computer program that almost instantaneously recognized the onset of sleep. When the experimental rat fell asleep, the disc was rotated to keep it awake by bumping it against the wall and threatening to push the animal into the water. Control rats could sleep when the experimental rat was awake but were moved equally whenever the experimental rat started to sleep. The cause of death was not proven but was associated with whole body hypermetabolism.

Bump the tree. Use foul odors. Blast loud noises. Deprive the sitter of sleep. Keep this up 24/7 in rotating shifts. The rat will come down or fall out of the tree. Consider it a science experiment: (1) Can the human body withstand more than 11 days without sleep? (2) What is the maximum?

The tree sitters would become volunteer rats for scientific research. All mankind would benefit.

[Carry_Okie]

Has anyone given any thought to trying sleep deprivation?

That could be tantamount to murder if one of them fell.

[Humidston]

"The Board of Supervisors did not comment on Manne's appeal when he made it at a meeting late last month. But Supervisor John Woolley, who represents the district, said last week that he would not support seeking federal Homeland Security funds for dealing with the protesters."

All politics is local. It's time the citizens voted this bum out on his ear!

Also, this lumber company should embark on an aggressive program to post NO TRESPASSING signs on their property. When the tree-huggers cross the line, arrest them. Post guards around their plant, or else the pinkos will probably burn it down in the middle of the night. This is WAR, pure and simple. It's either trees or food on peoples' tables!

(Trees are a farm product. Lumber companies FARM trees... DUH! .... Of course all good conservatives understand, and leftists are too lame to grasp that concept!)

[steelie]

I'm in. where do I sign up?

I was @ Jarbidge and Klamath

Love Dennis

[boris]

"How long can humans stay awake?"

I saw a Discovery-channel on sleep disorders. There was a story of a 1950s-era disk jockey who stayed awake for (ten days?) under 'medical supervision'. He then slept for something like 72 hours. When he awoke, he was a changed man; he lost his job, his wife left him, and (I seem to recall) he eventually committed suicide. One of the doctors who attended him said, "If we'd known how dangerous this was, we'd never have permitted it."

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The same documentary told the story of a high-school band instructor who had "fatal familial insommnia" and who remained awake, unable to sleep, for six months--until he died. He was converted into a vegetable, nearly unrecognizable as human, in the course of the disease.

I couldn't sleep that night, thinking about these stories...

--Boris

[jadimov]

.....That could be tantamount to murder if one of them fell.....

We could rig up safety nets or cushions below them. How far can a person safely fall without a parachute?

[sasquatch]

I figger that'd clear the pests outa the trees pretty fast...

Boris,
My favorite is:
3 people in full garb, 2 bungie cords, 1 funnel of appropriate size
and 1 paper wasp nest.