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The Question of Jerusalem
Oregon Magazine ^ | May 1, 2002 | Larry Leonard

Posted on 05/05/2002 8:14:09 PM PDT by WaterDragon

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To: PaulKersey
"What are you afraid of?"

Nothing. I'm asking questions. That's okay with you, right?

41 posted on 05/07/2002 8:35:41 AM PDT by Chunga
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To: Chunga
>I now call on LT and WT to get off this thread and leave us alone. What Part of GET LOST, DROP DEAD, don't you understand?

No, you are not just asking questions. You are shooting off your big mouth. What kind of arrogant a$$ hole are you to tell someone else to get off YOUR thread? Are you try to control this media? If you are looking for political correctness what are you doing at FR?

Actions have consequences, my friend, and you are the action part of this equation. What's happening in Israel today is the consequence part of similar actions. Learn to get along.

42 posted on 05/07/2002 9:02:34 AM PDT by PaulKersey
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To: PaulKersey
<"I now call on LT and WT to get off this thread and leave us alone. What Part of GET LOST, DROP DEAD, don't you understand?">

I didn't make that post. I have been attempting to get LostTribe to come back to this thread and answer a question.

"What kind of arrogant a$$ hole are you to tell someone else to get off YOUR thread?"

Again, I have done no such thing. You, however, have called me an arrogant a$$hole and a ba$tard for asking questions.

"Are you try to control this media?"

No, I'm interested in the free exchange of ideas and I'm trying to find out what someone thinks. It appears that you have a real problem with that. Too bad.

"You are shooting off your big mouth."

If you don't want me asking questions, who's trying to control this media?

43 posted on 05/07/2002 9:20:39 AM PDT by Chunga
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To: PaulKersey; LostTribe; crystalk
Mr. Lost Tribe is just bringing out some Biblical facts that are not widely known.

No, he is not. This is Basic Biblical History 101. Anybody who has read the books of the Prophets and Chronicles, knows that the Kingdom of Israel split during the reign of King Rehaveam ben Shlomo (Rehoboam the son of Solomon) with Yeraveam ben Nevat (Jeroboam the son of Nebat) forming a new kingdom of 10 of the tribes, and Rehaveam retaining control of Judah and Benjamin. At the time of the secession, many loyalists to the House of David, and the entire Tribe of Levi (who have not lost their identity even to the present day) remained with Judah and Benjamin (who became known as "Jews" following the conquest of the lower kingdom by Nebuchadnezzar).

The upper kingdom was conquered by the Assyrians several hundred years earlier and the "10 Tribes" sent into exile. Their identity today is not known, although many different theories have been put forth, one of which (although by no means the most credible) is LT's one-note mating call.

While the identity of the "lost tribes" is a legitimate topic for debate in the Religion forum, it is irrelevant, inappropriate and downright rude to barge in on every Mideast current events threads.

44 posted on 05/07/2002 9:28:00 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: PaulKersey
Don't waste your time with these types, Kersey. You can see by looking at the last few posts that Chunga even denies what you quoted him saying, and there it is in black and white. This is a way of life with them. Truth and Honor mean nothing.

Every so many decades or centuries there comes a "societal adjustment" which takes care of the problem, for a while. It's been about 70 years now, and another one seems in the making. Adults grow weary of the History Channel etc distorting history by endlessly preaching the Jewish Holocaust without showing the corresponding "Pearl Harbor" which caused it.

You are so right about actions having consequences. It is unfortunate the perps have this blind spot which cannot correlate them, thus avoid them.

45 posted on 05/07/2002 9:39:29 AM PDT by skraeling
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To: skraeling
You can see by looking at the last few posts that Chunga even denies what you quoted him saying, and there it is in black and white.

skraeling, you are a liar.

46 posted on 05/07/2002 9:51:26 AM PDT by Chunga
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To: Alouette
Thank You for that post, and the background information. It seems to confirm some points Mr. Lost Tribe suggests, including

 entire Tribe of Levi ... remained with Judah and Benjamin (who became known as "Jews" following the conquest of the lower kingdom by Nebuchadnezzar).

who are Jews, and when they were first called that.

The upper kingdom was conquered by the Assyrians several hundred years earlier and the "10 Tribes" sent into exile. Their identity today is not known, although many different theories have been put forth, one of which (although by no means the most credible) is LT's one-note mating call.

Hmmm.  Do you think anyone who has a theory has the obligation to promote everyone elses theory also?

While the identity of the "lost tribes" is a legitimate topic for debate in the Religion forum, it is irrelevant, inappropriate and downright rude to barge in on every Mideast current events threads.

Well, I certainly don't agree that it is wrong for any FR member to enter ANY discussion on Free Republic.  This is after all an open and FREE forum.  If he sees what he believes to be an error in fact, or even one of theory, and it occurs over and over again, do you think he should just ignore it?  Or is he free to enter the Free Republic discussion?

Regards.
47 posted on 05/07/2002 9:52:47 AM PDT by PaulKersey
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To: skraeling
skraeling is a liar
48 posted on 05/07/2002 9:55:22 AM PDT by Chunga
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To: PaulKersey
Or is he free to enter the Free Republic discussion?

There is a word for someone who interrupts every thread with the same message, whether it is remotely relevant to the topic or not. This is called SPAMMING. It doesn't matter if you are selling a product or promoting an agenda. SPAM is SPAM.

49 posted on 05/07/2002 10:01:36 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: skraeling
"Every so many decades or centuries there comes a "societal adjustment" which takes care of the problem, for a while. It's been about 70 years now, and another one seems in the making. Adults grow weary of the History Channel etc distorting history by endlessly preaching the Jewish Holocaust without showing the corresponding "Pearl Harbor" which caused it."

Are you suggesting that the Jews in Europe during WWII were responsible for causing their own Holocaust?

50 posted on 05/07/2002 10:05:15 AM PDT by Chunga
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To: Alouette
>There is a word for someone who interrupts every thread with the same message, whether it is remotely relevant to the topic or not.

Well, I certainly don't like spam. My email is full of it these days. But in my following of Mr. Lost Tribes posts over the past few months I don't see any trace of spamming.

I've told you how helpful his posts have been to me, in forcing me to back into the Bible to check him out, where by the way I haven't found one single thing that conflicts with what he says. As far as I'm concerned, his posts are right on target. But then if someone objects to what he has to say, and doesn't like having their own facts challenged, that could influence how they feel about it.

51 posted on 05/07/2002 10:10:39 AM PDT by PaulKersey
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To: Chunga
But his prior posts don't tell us whom he believes "Judah" to be.

But yes, they do. The Jews, wherever they are.

It's an important question. I await his answer. Thanks.

You refered me to the post of his that you had a problem with. That brings the issue into my perview. And I say his profile page and his prior posts have answered your question. Do a search by poster on his name and read his posts.

52 posted on 05/07/2002 10:15:50 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: Chunga
skraeling is a liar

Oh, this gets funnier by the minute. I think I know you from grade school. You were the whiney little kid always going to the teacher to complain about the other kids having too much fun, and nobody would wipe your nose. And no one would pay any attention to your temper tantrums. So you stomped the ground so hard you hurt your foot, which made you even madder.

I got the picture. It's just wonderful to have your high intellect and maturity here on FR.

53 posted on 05/07/2002 10:16:32 AM PDT by skraeling
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To: PaulKersey; skraeling
You have both been shown to be in error. You have attributed a quote of crystalk's to me.

Your refusal to retract your erroneous attributions in the face of proof shows you both to be liars.

skraeling's earlier pontifications about truth and honor are laughable.

54 posted on 05/07/2002 10:25:52 AM PDT by Chunga
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To: Chunga


member since March 28th, 2002

Sounds like you couldn't get along on that schoolyard, and have only been here a few days and can't get along here either. Do you suppose there is a message there someplace?
55 posted on 05/07/2002 10:25:55 AM PDT by PaulKersey
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To: skraeling
There's nothing funny about it. You're a liar. It's a fact.

The proof is here in the thread for anyone who knows how to read.

56 posted on 05/07/2002 10:29:22 AM PDT by Chunga
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To: skraeling
There's nothing funny about it. You're a liar. It's a fact.

The proof is here in the thread for anyone who knows how to read.

57 posted on 05/07/2002 10:29:22 AM PDT by Chunga
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To: crystalk
Even if somebody somewhere might be descended from Abraham, that means absolutely nothing until such time as they both know it, admit it, and start living accordingly and outwardly presenting themselves as such.

I'd have a tendency to want you to cite authority for being the seed of Abraham meaning nothing until being aware of it and admitting it. I'd also like to know how one such lives accordingly and presents themselves as such.

Don't you think God knows who His people are? And, how do you explain:

Hosea 1:
{10] Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

[11] Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

What you have in Hosea is the foundation for a moral mandate for many nations to align themselves with Israel.

58 posted on 05/07/2002 10:31:53 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: PaulKersey
You've lied about me on this thread. You've been shown your error and you haven't owned up to it.

Anyone paying attention will never take anything you say seriously again after seeing this blatant refusal to display the "honor" about which skraeling pontificated earlier.

I get along well with truthful people. People who lie frequently find me to be a real pain in the neck.

59 posted on 05/07/2002 10:34:59 AM PDT by Chunga
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To: skraeling
I wouldn't be criticising other people's intellect and maturity if I had shown myself to be willfully ignorant.

It has been pointed out a few times that Chungra did not write what you keep saying he did. That is clear. Yet you persist.
If you had integrity you would apologize, but instead you call names and accuse him of acting like a child.

Now what were you saying about honor and truth? How much shame would it take to get you to apologize?

60 posted on 05/07/2002 10:35:44 AM PDT by SKempis
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