Posted on 04/25/2002 4:43:48 PM PDT by history_matters
I mistook you at first for someone with whom a conversation was possible. I was mistaken.
His comparing of Brady's tone to that of "Call to Action" stinks of hubris and hate.Askel, Which of these statements stinks of hate more:
What does it say when you and Call to Action adopt the same tone?Or
In this remark, your cowardice and insincerity are laid bare.Your indignation seems to be rather narrowly focused.
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Re full chapels, they have been out in force recruiting. They know opportunities when they see them. Nothing drives away Catholics like either their own inability to be chaste or their priest's inability to be chaste.
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I just want to know the level of honesty around this place .... did the RCF have any evidence?
Arne, were you to read this thread you would see that HM and I have disagreed about RCF and their tactics. I am not his PR rep. Just like I criticize Brady for his intemperate language, I criticize you for yours. Just like I said that he would get ignored, I suggest that unless you knock off the personal attacks you will be ignored as well. I'm not saying a single thing to you I hadn't said on this thread before you got here.
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Yes or no Mensa. This forum is a bastion of deceit.
Could you summarize that in a one page press release please?Well, it was much less then one page the way it was, but if that will help you, sure, I will blow it up to reach a page in length:
Arne, calm
down
and
stop
the
personal
attacks.
Fr. Hardon was a saint. Despite his heavy involvement in these things he acted like one.We should seek his intercession and model ourselves on his faithfulness, conduct, and demeanor.
You OWE this forum an honest presentation. YOU HEAR?You have not identified a single statement that I have made that you question. I do not agree with everything said and done on this thread. If you want me to defend something that I have written please feel free to quote from one of my posts and ask me about it. So far, however, you are only questioning the comments by Mr. Brady, which I do not agree with or defend, as I have made clear on this thread.
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Comment by George stirs anger
April 26, 2002
BY ART GOLAB STAFF REPORTER
At the historic Vatican meetings earlier this week, Cardinal Francis George emerged as a spokesman for the American cardinals and bishops discussing the crisis of sexual abuse of minors by priests.
But one of his comments has a local feminist group and a sexual abuse survivors group seeing red.
While talking to reporters, George drew a distinction between serial pedophiles, such as defrocked Boston priest John Geoghan, and a priest who has sex with an underage girl.
''There is a difference between a moral monster like Geoghan, who preys upon little children and does so in a serial fashion, and to someone who, perhaps under the influence of alcohol, engages in an action with a 17- or 16-year-old young woman who returns his affection,'' George said Tuesday.
''That is still a crime in every instance, and so the civil law doesn't distinguish. In terms of the culpability and in terms of the possibility to reform one's life, they are two very different sets of circumstances.''
That prompted a call for his resignation from Catherine Caporusso Hartman, vice president of the Chicago chapter of the National Organization for Women.
"He's saying that there's a difference between sexual abuse of a young child and a priest getting a little drunk and having sex with a 16- or 17-year-old girl," Hartman said. "He's trying to minimize things when he should be showing that he takes all of this seriously. Now he's trying to make a subset of sexual abuse not as serious as another."
Hartman acknowledged she hadn't heard the second part of George's comment--where he noted that both acts are still a crime.
"I didn't get that part of the statement," she said. "But he still doesn't seem to understand the reason why there are stiffer penalties [for statutory rape] in the case of a person in authority like a priest."
On Thursday, George said he thought he made it plain that both types of behavior are bad.
"I can understand why they're upset with me. If I really did think that it didn't matter about abusing young women, I should resign. I don't think I said that, I know I didn't mean it,'' he told NBC-Channel 5 in a telephone interview from Philadelphia.
George told Channel 5 he'd like to meet with NOW and his other critics. He will be in Philadelphia with the other American cardinals until Saturday. Before leaving for the Vatican last week, George told Chicago reporters that while a pedophile cannot be reformed and should not be allowed to minister again, whether to forever bar a priest who had sex with a teenage girl is ''a somewhat open question.''
His comments at the Vatican also drew fire from the Survivors Network for those Abused by Priests.
''It's ludicrous to think that a teenager has the freedom to make a choice,'' said Barbara Blaine, the group's Chicago-based president and founder, who was herself abused by a priest.
Contributing: AP
''There is a difference between a moral monster like Geoghan, who preys upon little children and does so in a serial fashion, and to someone who, perhaps under the influence of alcohol, engages in an action with a 17- or 16-year-old young woman who returns his affection,'' George said Tuesday.
Didn't Jesus teach that ALL sin is equally deadly? Isn't sex of any type outside of the bounds of Marrige a sin?
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