What Really Happened in Rome?

Catholic World Report | April 25, 2002 | Philip F. Lawler

[choirboy]

I received this via e-mail.

[choirboy]

Bump

[browardchad]

The "exercise the pastoral leadership" includes the ability to openly discuss homosexuality within the church. (BTW, this article doesn't mention the word.)

[Varda]

Thanks for posting this.

[choirboy]

The "exercise the pastoral leadership" includes the ability to openly discuss homosexuality within the church. (BTW, this article doesn't mention the word.)

Lawler was discussing the dynamics of the time before meeting, the meeting, and what is expected after the meeting. Not discussing homosexuality takes nothing away from his analysis. The import of what happened in Rome went far beyond the issue of homosexuality. It dealt with episcopal leadership (or lack thereof).

[Diago]

The Pope needs an American Cardinal he can trust. Time for Cardinal Bruskiwitz! [sp?]

[BellStar]

No kidding (White Washed just like the Grave Caves Christ talked about) sic!

[Mike Fieschko]

But the real question is whether the American bishops will do their duty.

Correct.

Now, based on the track records of Cdls McCarrick, Law, Mahony, George, Keeler, Maida, and Egan, what may we likely expect?

I didn't list Bevilacqua, since I have heard that he has taken steps to do some cleaning up at St Charles Borromeo Seminary.

Each of these men is a bishop. Each bishop, whether or not he's also a cardinal, is fully authorized and empowered to investigate the seminary in his diocese.

[choirboy]

I could live with that!!!!!

[history_matters]

Yes! C a r d i n a l . . . B r u s k e w i t z !

[history_matters]

Cardinal Bevilacqua is an honorable and hardworking soul.

The Holy Father can appoint a Vicar General for all seminaries, colleges, and schools, who only reports to the Pope and has all the power he needs to clean house. Short of that the foxes in miters are not to be trusted with the henhouse.

[Hamilton2]

I VOTE FOR CARDINAL D'ARCY. He should be the one to oversee the seminaries.

[Mike Fieschko]

Do you mean the ordinary of the Fort Wayne-South Bend diocese?

[nickcarraway]

One cardinal, who spoke to the Los Angeles Times anonymously that the US cardinals would make a forceful argument for the removal of Boston's Cardinal Bernard Law.

This is laughable. Does anyone not know which cardinal this was, who has a direct line to the L.A. Times? Why did he even bother making it anonymous when anyone interested knows who he is?

[Hibernius Druid]

The Holy Father can appoint a Vicar General for all seminaries, colleges, and schools, who only reports to the Pope...

Sad to say, I doubt whether such a Vicar General would be any more influential on the rogue American Catholic Church than was the Apostolic Constitution Ex Corde Ecclesiae on "Catholic" colleges and universities.

By the way, I'm hearing that Francis Cardinal George's major seminary in Mundelein is an outpost of the Lavender Mafia. If so, that's a huge problem, since that seminary serves multiple dioceses, if I'm not mistaken.

[history_matters]

Yes it is one of the hubs of the lavendar mafia.

[vannrox]

Q:What Really Happened in Rome?
A:Nothing.

[NYer]

Hi Mike, Each bishop, whether or not he's also a cardinal, is fully authorized and empowered to investigate the seminary in his diocese.

Does this mean that the cardinals oversee the bishops in the other dioceses? Citing my example up here, is Cardinal Egan ultimately responsible for policies implemented by Bishop Hubbard in the Albany Diocese? What, if any, is the chain of command? Do the cardinals have the power to investigate the seminaries that fall under the aegis of other bishops? (I hope I phrased this correctly.)

[Mike Fieschko]

Does this mean that the cardinals oversee the bishops in the other dioceses?

No. The bishop of a diocese governs that diocese.

When someone is made a cardinal, it confers no additional authority in a diocese or over dioceses.

[patent]

>>>>One cardinal, who spoke to the Los Angeles Times anonymously that the US cardinals would make a forceful argument for the removal of Boston's Cardinal Bernard Law.

Something tells me the anonymous Cardinal will never come fully forward now. Mahony may, for a very brief instant, know his place.

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