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Cabinet to review patriarch posting
Jerusalem Post ^ | April, 22 2002 | By Herb Keinon and Haim Shapiro

Posted on 04/21/2002 8:37:29 PM PDT by Phil V.

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To: Phil V.
Need any help filling up those sandbags, Phil?
21 posted on 04/21/2002 10:58:29 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Mark this thread for future reference. We shall see what comes of this "review".
22 posted on 04/21/2002 11:07:59 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.; MarMema; FormerLib; stavka2
Patriarch Ireneos is a magnificent individual and quite the antidote for what had gone before.
23 posted on 04/22/2002 4:49:13 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: Romulus
Thanks for reminding us all why Our President's push for Faith Based Partnerships is a snare for the unwary.

Ditto.

26 posted on 04/22/2002 5:18:46 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: one_particular_harbour; American in Israel;
American in Israel, do you have an opinion on Irineos?
27 posted on 04/22/2002 5:31:18 AM PDT by Phil V.
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To: one_particular_harbour
Not only am I not insulted, I agree with you. I have long admired the Greek / Eastern faiths, and I think we could learn a great deal from them.

What you suggest is just a much further-going pulpit exchange...I think it is a great idea. Southern Baptists and Greek Orthodox, each could learn a lot from the other.

Seriously.

28 posted on 04/22/2002 5:58:58 AM PDT by crystalk
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To: veronica; dennisw
Do either of you have an opinion on Irineos' character or his worthiness to continue as Patriarch?

Or do you believe that the Israeli Cabinet should remove him?

29 posted on 04/22/2002 6:04:29 AM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
do you have an opinion on Irineos?

No, not at all. My only opinion on the subject is that it is strange to me that the PA and Jordan and Israel has any say in the appointment of the head of any Church. I think Americas pattern is far better. This is one thing I think Israel is wrong on. Just because the PA and Jordan insist on the right to veto Church heads does not make it right for Israel to do the same.

I wish they would adopt a more American approach and ban all third party input. After all is it not silly to have to have a 2/3 moslem vote on what Christians do? But it does explain why the Orthodox Churches over here are often quite pro-Palestinian, the Palestinians pick their Church heads by process of elimination. If the Church wants to have a head, it must suck up to the PA and the Jews both. As the Jews will pass any person that has no strong history of Anti-Semitism, It means the best the Church in PA areas can hope for is a mildly anti-Israel Leader. The Moslems will allow only Pro-PA people in office.

30 posted on 04/22/2002 7:00:02 AM PDT by American in Israel
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To: one_particular_harbour
I wrote:
If Jews reclaim some of this, even at gun point, it seems quite fair.

OPH responded:
This was the part of your post that had me sputtering. You are so tied up in the idea of blood guilt that you would take the money and property of someone who didn't do wrong.
The point is that in some cases the land is being taken away from those who did do wrong, or from their inheritors.
Between 1922 and 1948 both {Trans}Jordan and the West Bank were essentually cleared of all Jews. Communities that existed almost uninterupted for 2500 years were displaced.
After 1967, some Jews (including those with orrigional titles) set up new communities on some of these properties. The world lumps these with the other settlements. I disagree.
By taking that attitude, you fulfill every single negative stereotype of Judaism in one fell swoop.
That we will no longer take crap from the rest of the world? That we won't have our land stolen?

In short, if you get over your racism, then maybe, people won't react so negatively to people of your ethnicity. Where is the racism in reclaiming the property of your parents?

31 posted on 04/22/2002 11:10:19 AM PDT by rmlew
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