LISTEN TO BARGHOUTI

Ha`aretz. ^ | 4/21/02 | Gideon Levy

[xvb]

Gideon Levy is a cowering leftist. Barghouti is a mass murderer. I hope he rots in jail. Israel done good when it captured this one.

[D-fendr]

Now he'll become the Palestinian Nelson Mandela.

As if they lack Mandelas or martyrs.

I'd like to give them another: Yassar himself.

[watchin]

If Israel had only adopted the same approach with Fatah activist Dr. Thabet Thabet, or the leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Abu Ali Mustafa, plus a long list of other targeted Palestinians, the intifada's flames would be a lot lower and a lot of blood would have been spared on both sides.

Not true - they'd be terrorizing for their release. The only reason they're not doing much of that for Barghouti is that Israel has made it exceedingly difficult of late.

Arresting Barghouti may have been just, but it is not wise. Now he'll become the Palestinian Nelson Mandela.

So a terrorist shouldn't be assassinated, or arrested; he should be listened to and understood. He should find that enough terror will bring us to the negotiating table, and like Arafat believes - even more terror and you can skip the negotiating and go for the whole enchilada. His children should learn that blowing up pizza shops is an effective way of getting your voice heard. That will bring us peace? I don't think so.

[crystalk]

No civilian trial, and no jail, for barghouti.

Pump him dry, then hang him high.

[Phil V.]

The path he took was the only one we showed the Palestinians - a path on which we tripped and pushed them deeper and deeper into despair and ultimately to violence.

I have been periodically posting for months now, "Kick the dog until he bites then kill the rabid sonofabitch". . . . meaning that Israel has achieved the result that it has set out to achieve - universal "knowledge" that Palestinians "just want to kill Jews" and "push Israel into the sea".

Arik has laid the predicate for extermination/transfer/annexation.

[Southern Federalist]

This is dumb to the extreme. Here we have a man who says for a period of time that he is for compromise and peace, then becomes a leading developer of the most repulsive kind of terrorism. Levy simply asserts that it was all Israel's fault - the bad bad Zionists just drove the poor "desparate" lamb to it.

But there are at least two other explanations:

1. Barghouti's commitment to peace and compromise was only for show, a tactical move towards the ultimate strategic goal of destroying Israel.

2. Barghouti is an opportunist who first saw a way to position himself as a possible "moderate" successor to Arafat, but then when the situation became more volatile was equally happy to become a terrorist for his own advantage.

Might there not be some reason to think that these are more likely accounts of the way a man ends up a terrorist than the notion of someone with a real commitment to peace turning not to war, but to training teenage girl suicide bombers?

The IDF was able to arrest Barghouti because the IDF had entered the PA in force. The point of the targeted killings was to try to avoid such an invasion. I'm sure this nitwit would have just clapped and cheered if Israel had invaded the PA a year ago, and said: "We're doing this so we won't have to kill important terrorists one by one."

A bowl of immensely distasteful mush.

[Phil V.]

I'm over on this thread, SugarPie.

This one . . . http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/665226/posts?page=57#57 . . . is from another time.

[veronica]

That Palestinians "just want to kill Jews" ...

Mein Kampf is a bestseller among the Palestinians. Why is it you and your Leftie buds always leave out Camp David? And BLACK SEPTEMBER, etc.? You really need some educating on the Middle East.

[veronica]

I don't think Southern Federalist will appreciate you using your sickening, unctous language on him.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

The long path Israelis and Palestinians walked together seems to have vanished, as if it had never existed at all.

This is a good point. The 'path to peace' that liberals in Israel and the US envisioned never did exist. It's only function was to give the Palestinians enough security to kill Jews. The article is right about another point. Barghouti should not have been arrested, they should have drowned him in pig blood.

[watchin]

"Kick the dog until he bites then kill the rabid sonofabitch"

Funny, I thought this was the Arab peace plan. The suicide bombings (the "kicking" part) almost went too far, nearly producing sympathy for the Jews. As the Jews fight back (the "biting" part), the palestinian plan is working beautifully. The UN, the EU, and perhaps even the US will paint Israel as the aggressor, and allow the peace-loving Arabs to attempt to exterminate the Jews once and for all (the "kill the rabid sonofabitch" part).

So far, every time they've tried to put this dog down, they've made asses out of themselves, lost land to Israel, and turned tail and run. If they keep attacking Israel, maybe in a few years we'll be hearing them whine about the occupied territory of the Arabian pennisula.

Maybe the Jews could build a shrine on the ruins of Mecca, and make up a story about how Moses had a night journey there in a dream once. They could decorate the outer walls with inscriptions the muslims would find blashphemous, and occassionally throw rocks at the muslims who came near to pray at the ruins of their kaaba. An excavation aimed at eliminating any trace of muslim history on the site would be a nice finishing touch.

[Phil V.]

. . . unctous . . .

If you mean "unctuous", OUCH!
You have cut deeply . . . double OUCH!

[swarthyguy]

I still think he might come out on top. Imprisonment by the Israelis is a badge of honour. And in the convoluted politics of the PA (say in a post-arafat time), the safest place to be may be in the custody of the israelis.

[veronica]

That is how he started. He then moved on to masterminding many suicide bombings. And he bragged about it in the press. You want me to post the list of the atrocities he ordered?

[veronica]

....Barghouti was the senior figure of the Aksa Martyrs Brigade. Both Ahmed Barghouti, his cousin, and Nasser Awis carried out his orders for dozens of attacks, including suicide bombings, Israeli security sources said.

Among the attacks he is alleged to have ordered:

¥ January 17 shooting attack on David's Hall in Hadera that killed six and wounded 26.

¥ January 22 shooting attack on civilians on Jerusalem's Jaffa Road that killed two and wounded 37.

¥ February 25 shooting attack in Jerusalem's Neveh Ya'acov neighborhood that killed a policewoman and wounded nine.

¥ February 27 murder of an Israeli in a factory in Atarot.

¥ February 27 suicide bombing carried out by a female bomber at the Maccabim roadblock that wounded two policemen.

¥ March 5 shooting attack at Tel Aviv's seafood restaurant that killed three and wounded 31.

¥ March 8 suicide bomber killed on his way to Jerusalem.

¥ March 10 suicide bomber killed at Aram junction on his way to Jerusalem.

¥ March 27 detention of an ambulance in which a belt bomb was hidden.

[mcsparkie]

Now he'll become the Palestinian Nelson Mandela.

Yeah. This will stick in their craw for a long time to come.

[mcsparkie]

Humiliating him will also fan the fames of rage in the Palestinian and Arab street.

Any more rage and their heads will explode.