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The Federalist Papers
Personal Archives | 04-19-02 | PsyOp

Posted on 04/19/2002 8:05:01 PM PDT by PsyOp

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Posted in Honor of Waxman trying to throw a "suspected" NRA cameraman out of gun-control hearings. We know that he's unfamiliar with these fine gentlemen and their thoughts.
1 posted on 04/19/2002 8:05:01 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp
bump
2 posted on 04/19/2002 8:12:19 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: Marine Inspector; infowars; 2Trievers; sleavelessinseattle; Righty1; twyn1; mountaineer...
The next installment has arrived.
3 posted on 04/19/2002 8:20:40 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp
A worthwhile read.
4 posted on 04/19/2002 8:33:31 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: PsyOp
BTTT &;-)
5 posted on 04/19/2002 8:37:00 PM PDT by 2Trievers
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To: PsyOp
Bookmarked, so what is next the anti-federalist papers?
6 posted on 04/19/2002 8:57:48 PM PDT by Fish out of Water
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To: Fish out of Water
No. I haven't finished reading and indexing them (they're not as nicely laid out). But there's more good stuff on the way
7 posted on 04/19/2002 9:01:40 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp
Thank you for a great post. Need to read in the morning, to slow in the(head in the) evening to get ALL the fine print. A Patriotic bump!
8 posted on 04/19/2002 9:09:21 PM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: PsyOp
Thanks for posting. Bump for later reading.
9 posted on 04/19/2002 9:10:18 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: PsyOp
Liberty Bump!


10 posted on 04/19/2002 9:16:33 PM PDT by Gadsen
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To: PsyOp
disclaimer: This is sort of a rant so please don't be offended too much

The federalist papers are one of the most important of the classical LIBERAL writings. They cannot be claimed by modern conservatives because liberalism was a far more dynamic philosophy than conservatism. There are many things that have driven me to be more philosophically in line with John Locke than Pat Buchanan, Robert Bork, Rush Limbaugh, et al.

  1. Liberalism is an intellectual philosophy. Here it can go toe to toe with any leftist ideology because it is not "a common man's" philosophy. Liberalism is of the educated man and the enlightened aristocrat (Madison, Jefferson to name a few).
  2. Liberalism is more insidious than conservatism. As a political liberal I can use class warfare terminology against leftists to a degree conservatives cannot or at least won't. This confuses leftists to no end. They cannot understand how it is that I can have no respect for the rich as a class but simultaneously deeply support capitalism.
  3. Liberalism is a globalist philosophy, always has been and always will be. The important thing to note here is that the goal of liberals never was to stop at liberating the United States from British Imperialism, it was to establish a new world order based on liberal concepts like inalienable rights, social equality between the classes and the eventual abolition of all armed forces around the globe (obviously once this NWO comes into existance).

I often see leftists decrying "neo-liberalism." So here is how I shall sum it up:

"A spectre haunting the Earth, the spectre of liberalism. Even now the police states of the Earth mobilize their forces to exorcise this sectre: billionaire aristocrat and anti-globalization protester, Western Parliamentarian and Chinese Politiburo Official, Radical Muslim and Communist Philosopher."

Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as too liberal by its opponents in power? Where is the opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of seeking too much freedom for the citizenry, against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?

Two things result from this fact:

The powers of the old order acknowledge liberalism to be a force of nature unto itself

It is high time that the liberals should infilitrate every corrupt social institution and undermine them for the public good, to corrupt any government official that must be corrupted in order to advance the cause of individual freedom and to do whatever it takes to bring about a new world order based on universal freedom rooted in the acknowledgement of inalienable rights

11 posted on 04/19/2002 9:22:44 PM PDT by dheretic
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When occasions present themselves in which the interests of the people are at variance with their inclinations, it is the duty of the persons whom they have appointed to be the guardians of those interests, to withstand the temporary delusion, in order to give them time and opportunity for more cool and sedate reflection. - Hamilton, Federalist #71.

A government resting on a minority is an aristocracy, not a republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. - Madison, Federalist #46.

Tree falling, some day, unless they suspend it with wires.

13 posted on 04/19/2002 9:43:32 PM PDT by apochromat
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hmmm ... didn't we recently observe this phenomenon?
14 posted on 04/19/2002 10:04:05 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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didn't we recently observe this phenomenon?

Yep! It cracks me up when liberals start spewing all that "constitution as a living-document" crap on the grounds that the Framers couldn't possibly have been that prescient. We must change with the times! they rant.

In over 2,000 years of recorded human history, human nature has not changed. The Framers new that. They also knew that it was unlikely to change during the next 2,000. Meanwhile, Dems and Libs continue trying to tinker with social engineering. They just don't get - and never will.

15 posted on 04/19/2002 10:35:09 PM PDT by PsyOp
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The federalist papers are one of the most important of the classical LIBERAL writings.

You do understand, of course, that Liberalism during the 18th and 19th centuries meant something entirely different than it does today. Locke, Hume, Rousseau, our founders, all understood Liberalism to encompass such notions as personal liberty, personal rights and responsibilities, economic and political freedom, individualism, religious tolerance, etc.

Those who claim the mantle of liberal today (though they don't always seem very proud of it), no longer stand for most of those things. Today, it is conservatives that have picked up the mantle of classical liberalism (as opposed to modern liberalism - if you want to really confuse a college student today ask them to define the difference).

Todays liberals can no longer point to classical liberalism as their touchstone. That touchstone has become socialism to one degree or another, which contradicts many of the key elements of Classical Liberalism.

But we stick with labels like conservative and liberal because they became common usage as applied to certain political parties - even if they do not really apply.

People now mistake the dictionary definitions of conservative and liberal for the classical definitions of the political ideas they once expressed - which are today about 180 degrees out of sync.

The dictionary loosely defines a conservative as someone resistent to change or looking fondly to the past (in this case, the ideas of Classical Liberalism as expressed by our Founding Fathers and those who preceded them in the development of this political philosophy like Locke, Hume, Adam Smith, Rousseau, etc.)

The dictionary loosely defines a liberal as someone open to change or who looks forward (in this case away from Classical Liberalism and torward socialism, monolithic government, restrictions on personal freedom and responsibility, constrictions on economic freedom, and religious intolerance).

Class dismissed.

16 posted on 04/19/2002 11:06:45 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: apochromat
Tree falling

Unless we share this post (and others like it) with as many people as we can and remind people what it takes to keep a Republic free.

17 posted on 04/19/2002 11:12:01 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp
Great collection! I saw your Aristotle collection yesterday. Did you compile this through your readings, or did you have some kind of aide. Either way, many thanks for this great resource!
18 posted on 04/19/2002 11:18:59 PM PDT by Pyro7480
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Ive done four posts so far (they're book marked on my personal page), and they are all from my personal readings, though the odd quote without full citation has been added here and there from 3d party sources. If you wish to be added to the bump list, let me know. I will post another collection this weekend - perhaps 2.
19 posted on 04/19/2002 11:34:59 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp;Libertina;pissed off Janitor;Happygrl;Colorado Tanker
Fed Paper Ping...You RULE!
20 posted on 04/20/2002 1:37:27 AM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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