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The Outer Space and Moon Treaties and the Coming Moon Rush
spacedaily.com ^ | 18 Apr 02 | Bill Carswell

Posted on 04/18/2002 9:36:38 AM PDT by RightWhale

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To: Clarino
We're not the landlords, we're part of the whole scheme of things. It doesn't do well to foul your own nest.

God gave us dominion over these sorts of things (well, at least the stuff on earth, and like I said, the earth trapped the moon in orbit, so by extension i'd say it's ours).

The only thing I'd object to is blowing up the moon (and at least one whack job advocates that) cuz it would ruin surfing for one thing, plus no more eclipses and such.

41 posted on 04/18/2002 11:12:49 AM PDT by in_troth
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To: finnman69
I think we should pass the hat on the transporation costs for the Pallies to go to the moon. I bet we could get 'em all booked and tickets paid for in about an hour....
43 posted on 04/18/2002 11:16:48 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: RightWhale
But it isn't the government doing this, government is merely a tool in the hands of the controllers, some of whom seem to be here on this thread today;

Yes, indeed. But since they are so well hidden behind the government, we need to address the monster we can see rather than the monster we can't. It would be true to say that the elite do not want their menials to escape into space, but that gives us no plan of action.

But who am I kidding? There *is* no plan of action possible. Very few men of wealth are interested in dumping the huge amounts of money necessary to get into space, and even in they were, such an enterprise is by its own nature very succeptable to...accidents; very expensive accidents.

Bill Gates found out what happens when you don't play by the rules. Imagine what'd happen to a mogul trying to get into space?

Some people reading this might think I'm a tin-foil hat wearer. To them I say this: We went to the Moon over 25 years ago and, since those days, haven't been there since. We never followed up on it. Funding for alternative energy sources are almost non-existant. NASA is a joke (just ask old NASA hands). No corperation is showing any interest in space travel. How can there on one hand be so much interest in space and on the other be so little actual involvement in it? Why does the US keep their main spaceport at such a meteorologically unstable area?

Truly, I *want* us to be in Space. I would love to go to space. I would love to see the US launching vehicles up so frequently that it isn't hardly news anymore...that it isn't special or amazing to have another launch. That we have *several* orbiting stations. That we are making strides in overcoming the limitations of gravity in order to make long-term space travel a reality (necessary due to the effects of weightlessness on bones).

I think we *could* make it into space if the US really wanted to try...or would allow private individuals and corperations to try, but they wont. Instead, NASA will continue to waste time, money, energy, and prestige on elephants like the ISS where we had SpaceLab in orbit 25 years ago...at a fraction the cost.

Tuor

45 posted on 04/18/2002 11:20:08 AM PDT by Tuor
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To: Clarino
I'm sure you rejoice in a certain event which occured in 1776.

A trick question, no doubt. The three most important events of 1776 were:
1. The Declaration of Independance
2. Adam Smith's A Study Into Origins And Causes Of The Wealth Of Nations
3. Order of Illuminati was created in Bavaria Adam Weishaupt

To which event do you refer?

46 posted on 04/18/2002 11:21:15 AM PDT by gwynapnudd
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To: Clarino
A couple questions:

Are you Chinese? Or at the least, are you a Chinese citizen?

And most importantly, you do realize that when (not if) China gets into space they will pluder off-world resources for all their worth?

49 posted on 04/18/2002 11:25:16 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: Clarino
I'd like to see multi-national efforts, with American support and know-how of course, but with a global feel.

And an American check to pay for it all, of course.

50 posted on 04/18/2002 11:26:22 AM PDT by dead
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To: Clarino
Fifty bucks a year as farmers? Don't you just love planned economies?

By jing, America better find a way to fix that for you, eh?

51 posted on 04/18/2002 11:29:05 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: Clarino
we're spending money on space when there are people around here earning $50 a year as farmers

Perhaps you will experience illumination. Illumination has to come from within, but someone can say a few things to help it come about.

Imagine a new industry. A new industry that takes farmers' children off the farm and employs them for $50 an hour. Imagine the new industry is allowed to grow to its maximum potential and that it hires a tenth of all the workers on the planet to work at those wages.

Picture the economy as a pyramid. At the top are a few people working most productively and making high wages. At the bottom are many people with low productivity making subsistence wages. Then imagine the pyramid is made to grow, not by piling more rocks around the base, --the unproductive bottom end,-- but by raising the cap, --the most productive point. Now the pyramid is higher, its volume is larger, and the economy has grown immensely.

The poor farmer wants to do better, but his economic pyramid is already packed to capacity. Raise the cap of the pyramid 1 foot and the volume will increase many times 1 foot. Pack another stone in at the base and the pyramid will grow by one stone.

Farmers in space! See?

53 posted on 04/18/2002 11:31:01 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Clarino
" multi-national efforts, with American support and know-how of course, but with a global feel."

Transalated: I want America to foot the bill, and the rest of the world to get the benefits.

Basic collectivism.

55 posted on 04/18/2002 11:34:19 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: Willie Green
When it comes to outer space, no one is more out there than the Libertarian party:

National Platform of the Libertarian Party
Adopted in Convention, July 2000,
Anaheim, CA

IV. FOREIGN AFFAIRS
International Relations
Space Exploration

We oppose all government restrictions upon voluntary peaceful use of outer space. We condemn all international attempts to prevent or limit private exploration, industrialization, and colonization of the moon, planets, asteroids, satellite orbits, Lagrange libration points, or any other extra-terrestrial resources. We repudiate the principles contained in the U.N. Moon Treaty. We support the privatization of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.


56 posted on 04/18/2002 11:35:23 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Clarino
the poor where they are in order to line the right pockets.

Our “poor” are the richest “poor” in the world.

Does China’s “poor” have hot and cold running potable water, a car, an airconditioner, meat and fresh vegtables for meals, access to quality medicine and health care, color television, electricity, shoes, warm clothing, etc.

Our “poor” usually do.

57 posted on 04/18/2002 11:37:44 AM PDT by dead
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To: Clarino
Allrighty, enough hostility from me.

What is it that you are doing over there?

Just wondering where your perspective stems from.

59 posted on 04/18/2002 11:38:44 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: Clarino
What interests me is what the American reaction would be to a Chinese space platform, or moon base. Uncontrollable, gut-wrenching paranoia, I expect. As usual.

You'd see The U.S. also establish a moon bases and outerspace posts to protect our space interests. Americans would not relinquish the high ground to a competitor, especially one who foresees our destruction.

60 posted on 04/18/2002 11:40:36 AM PDT by demlosers
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