CAN THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND SOCIAL SECURITY COEXIST?

JFPO ^ | April 17 2002 | JFPO

[dcwusmc]

Go here for MORE on your icon, Heston... http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1998/vo14no08/vo14no08_heston.htm

[dcwusmc]

Please explain THIS from the now-president of the NRA:

Heston has expressed a desire to move the NRA into the political "mainstream." He has downplayed the significance of the Brady waiting-period law, claiming not only that it is "cosmetic" and "meaningless," but that "I don’t care if they keep the Brady Act forever." During a May 9, 1997 interview on San Francisco radio station KGO, Heston, who had just been elected NRA first vice president the previous day, was asked if he would try to get "the right-wing folks off the [NRA] board and out of the picture." He replied, "That’s certainly the intention, and I think it’s highly doable.">

THIS is the NRA????? I guess they would not even WANT the likes of me in there, with Chuck as head of it. Talk about doing Sarah Brady's work!!!

[Shooter 2.5]

Yeah, Sarah. You're doing a great job in trying to bring down the NRA.

[dcwusmc]

Hey, stud-muffin, if the NRA is getting HCI's agenda passed then why do we need it? Brady would not have passed without support from the NRA and you know it. Face it, the NRA is NOT friendly to the second amendment. Those millions of members largely ARE friendly to it but Heston and the "leadership" clearly are NOT. Look at how they endorse ANTI-gunners over KNOWN pro-2A candidates in numerous races and try to rationalize it when they are called to task. No, bubba, the NRA is NOT my friend. Nor yours unless you ENJOY the slow erosion of your rights as engendered by the NRA, which was ALSO responsible for the so-called "sporting-use" test in GCA '68. The Nazi Germany 1938 (or thereabouts) gun laws passed almost verbatim and with the support and connivance of YOUR NRA. Their actions sure do NOT live up to the rhetoric in any way, shape or form. So you keep on supporting them and giving up YOUR rights piecemeal. I shall not and I WILL keep mine.

[M Kehoe]

Interesting scenario...but the markets (bond and stock esp.) will give you a 'heads up' long before the actual need for combat takes place.

If social security is not privatized (in some form or another) or taxes raised to astronomic levels, this novel could play out.

The Ponzi scheme can't work forever ya know.

5.56mm

[Shooter 2.5]

" Nor yours unless you ENJOY the slow erosion of your rights as engendered by the NRA,"

It takes congressmen and Senators who believe in the Second Amendment to stop gun control. The NRA is the most effective force that is doing that. It isn't the GOA, SAS, SAF, JPFO or any other group. That is a fact that even the other groups can attest to. That doesn't mean that we don't need the other groups. We need all the groups to work together to defeat the anti-gun politicians.

You don't believe in working together. You don't believe that the NRA should exist. You don't understand that when you don't have the votes, you compromise. When you have the votes, you take everything you can.

[dcwusmc]

It's quite kind of you to tell me what I do and don't believe. I am also impressed that you refuse to respond to specific points but only talk in glittering generalities that are wholly meaningless. Please REFUTE, point for point, the charges that have been leveled against the NRA, IF YOU CAN!!! If you cannot, I will understand.

And WHY IS IT that the NRA compromises away what's not theirs to give away, but NEVER seems to make any gains or get a single gun-grabbing law OFF the books?????

[Shooter 2.5]

You haven't been paying attention that's why. We have CCW in 33 states. All of the lawsuits against the manufacturers have been settled except the one in Chicago. There is legislation in Congress right now against further lawsuits. HUD was ordered to stop taking the manufacturers to court. A mandatory triggerlock law was stopped in Florida last week. The NRA sent a group to the United Nations to protest against gun control and a short time later, Ashcroft told the U.N. to take a hike. If we get the votes in 2004, the Assault Weapon Bill will sunset.

You're too busy sitting on the sidelines to notice.

[dcwusmc]

As I said, ...WHY IS IT that the NRA compromises away what's not theirs to give away, but NEVER seems to make any gains or get a single gun-grabbing law OFF the books?????

If we get the votes in 2004, the Assault Weapon Bill will sunset. What you don't seem to comprehend is that my RIGHTS are not subject to ANYONE's vote. The NRA seems to have the idea that whatever Congress wants to do is OK with them. Not true, now or ever. NO ONE gets a vote on my RIGHTS, period, end of story. When you get hold of that notion and take it to heart, then you'll be a welcome ally in the fight for the restoration of FREEDOM in this country. If it's subject to a VOTE, it ain't a RIGHT, it's a PRIVILEGE. My RIGHTS were guaranteed, not GRANTED, by the Constitution. STOP thinking like a sheeple.

[dcwusmc]

We have CCW in 33 states

With gooberment permission, you mean. Where are ALL the states with Vermont-carry? Where they ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR RIGHT to carry whatever you like without any gooberment interference? Answer me that, bucko. What gooberment gives it can surely take away.

[Shooter 2.5]

My RIGHTS were guaranteed, not GRANTED, by the Constitution. STOP thinking like a sheeple.

That and about 3 bucks will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. The reason Californification is in the shape it's in, is because your fellow voters like gun control. They keep on voting the anti-gunners in. If you want to change things, you have to do it through the courts. We have never had a good chance of getting a good Second Amendment ruling because we would lose. We have never had enough good Second Amendment Supreme Court Justices that would rule in our favor. Finally with Emerson, we may have that chance. You know about Emerson don't you? Some Doctor from Texas is trying to get his Second Amendment rights back through the courts. How come you didn't do the same when they started the Assault Weapons ban. Still sitting on the sidelines waiting for someone to bail you out?

[dcwusmc]

Yes, I know about Emerson. I also know that he received NO support from the NRA. I further note that you still choose not to reply to my points. I don't blame you, there is no way to justify the NRA's actions. Sad thing, ain't it? The NRA says NOTHING but platitudes and HOPES gooberment won't go too much further, too soon. Then Heston gets elected and gives an interview like the one transcribed and referred to here. Get rid of the true believers he says. Why would he want to do that? What's his agenda? Care to comment?

[Shooter 2.5]

Sarah, you seem fixated on what the NRA doesn't do. When they helped us against a gun ban, they gave us matching funds, pamphlets, advertisment copy and legal advice. They didn't mention any of this in the American Rifleman and all the supplied print material that was supplied to us had our organization's name on it and not the NRA's.

If you don't like the NRA, tough. Quit sitting on the sidelines and join another organization so you can tell me what they do.

[dcwusmc]

Doofus, I see you still prefer to call names and avoid the issues. That being so, you need respond no more to me until you CAN address the issues.

[Atlas Sneezed]

Ping

[Atlas Sneezed]

In todays age of computerization, the only rule necessary to stabilize the Social Security system is as follows: This month's total SS receipts = next month's total SS distributions To maintain this equilibrium, monthly payments to eligible recipients would be variable rather than fixed. So in good economic periods, recipients checks increase as SS collections increase. In slow economic periods, recipients checks decrease with collections, but they still recieve something as a "safety net. Overall, all boats rise and fall with the same tide.

A simpler approach is to adjust the retirement age annually to preserve the same break even solvency. Younger folks may see their retirement age go up from 67 to ~75 or more over the years (and back down at times), but older workers near retirement will not see major delays beyond a few years. No big suprises at the last minute. If you are part of a boom, you will tend to be somewhat delayed compared to those who are part of a bust. Of course, this will create wide swings in the labor market, which wants booms to retire early, and vice versa.

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

To the Bang List ...

[Atlas Sneezed]

The old "let's blame the NRA because they don't do enough" argument. It's getting really old.

Actually, it is the old "let's blame the NRA because they need to be kept motivated to fight for our freedom, and not just for their cushy jobs and DC cocktail party invites."

[Sloth]

The correct approach to Social Security: ABOLISH IT.

Stop SS withholding immediately. For people retiring today or within the next couple of years, give them 100% of the benefits they'd otherwise receive. Prorate it down to 0% for people retiring 30 or 40 years from now, but pay back to everyone at least the amount of their SS taxes paid, plus interest & adjust for inflation. Use general revenues.