Posted on 04/16/2002 1:44:06 PM PDT by vannrox
The IRS itself conservatively estimates that 63,000,000 people are not paying the "income" tax, so that is a bogus assertion. I'm sure many of those millions (and posters like yourself) believe they are "getting away with not paying their fair share", but all they are doing is not volunteering to assess themselves. It is possible to be tax-free without an NRST, flat tax or VAT.
Anyway, the kind of tax "reform" that most think is the only solution has about as much chance of passage in this age as the final assignment of blame for the American Civil War.
Don't you see a very enticing incentive to buy black market under a NRST?
Perhaps, but who is really going to sell in it other than those already doing so.
It's the business selling the goods that is liable and that takes the hit, not the customer.
90% of retail sales dollars flow through the 10% representing the largest businesses.
Any substantive black market just pushes prices down and discourages new entries into the black market.
Nail in the coffin. You have fully convinced me.
Since when does it take two parties to conspire as regards an income tax. Just takes one deciding to not report receipts from cash when dealing with individuals only there is no reporting by your "employers"(i.e. customers) of how much they paid your or even that business occurred.
I was refering to the fact that my employer records and reports what they paid me. They have to by law. Hence the conspiracy between myself and my employer in order to "get away" with it. (see "under the table" employment for my point)
Not quite true, as only those persons who chose to engage in retail business are subject to collecting and remitting the tax, and they are paid to do that job by the feds. All others don't have anything to do with it.
The burden falls to the retailers as opposed to the producers. I understood that but didn't articulate it.
Like I said. I'm convinced. Most of my counterpoints were educational in nature. You teaching me. Thank you.
Now to drum up support since I've got all this new intelectual ammunition to let loose down range.
Here's hoping that this can be implemented.
EBUCK
The IRS itself conservatively estimates that 63,000,000 people are not paying the "income" tax, so that is a bogus assertion.
Do you even know the subject of my reply to EBAY?
EBAY has been recommending a flat tax on every individual no exceptions or exemption.
My response was concerning the enforcement on every individual in the United States in regard to that. Quite frankly, that is a totally unecessary intrusion into the family. As better options exist. Such as the NRST.
they are doing is not volunteering to assess themselves.
And making themselves prime cannon fodder for the IRS, with no gain.
It is possible to be tax-free without an NRST, flat tax or VAT.
ROTFLM(_|_)O!!!
The Individual Income Tax return(1040) that captures everyone's attention each April, is merely a partial VAT accounting sheet the government cons individuals, held at ransom, into filling out. It's misdirection puts blinders on the eyes of the voter, and totally distorts their perceptions as to the real impact of taxation in their lives.
Every man woman and child in the nation, pays federal taxes through a corporate VAT.
DO YOU PAY YOUR INCOME TAX
AT THE SUPERMARKET?
by D. Sherman Cox J.D. L.L.M. Taxation
The full impact of the federal tax system(taxes in gross wage/salaries & other compensation + business income/payroll taxes) added onto the base price(without taxes) of retail consumption goods and services is 36% for federal taxes alone.
Why? Because all wages and the taxes on them are paid for out of sales receipts to business,(i.e. consumption expenditure).
Federal tax revenues collected as % of current family expenditure = fed/(1-state-fed-savings) =
23.5/(1-.235-0.102-0.012) = 36.09%
If we add in the cost of federal tax compliance, planning, litigation & enforcement, the percentage that truely represents the burden on the family due to the Federal income/payroll tax system, product prices are increased by more than 55% over taxfree prices.
Where Have All the Dollars Gone?
How the government robs Peter to pay him back.
By economist James L. Payne, Reason Magazine February '94When the overhead costs are added together, (24 percent compliance costs, 33 percent disincentive costs, and 8 percent other costs), they total 65 percent of tax revenue.
Current total Federal tax revenues are about $1900billion, more than $1,000 billion additional dollars are added on onto consumption prices due to the business costs of complying with the federal income/payroll tax laws.
The percent total current federal burden (taxes + compliance costs) of consumption dollars = 36*(1900+1000)/1900 = 54.95% economic burden added on to base retail(i.e. taxfree) prices.
Too bad that citizens don't get a receipt detailing those "hidden sales taxes" buried in their consumption purchases. If they ever did, some of those 70% of the public clamoring for more from government, thinking someone else foots the bill, might be tempted to change their mind.
ENJOY your "taxfree" life.
Anyway, the kind of tax "reform" that most think is the only solution has about as much chance of passage in this age as the final assignment of blame for the American Civil War.
So why the comment, nothing's going to change, and you're taxfree.
You have no worries at all, as I see it.
Now to drum up support since I've got all this new intelectual ammunition to let loose down range.
Good luck, you will find even more here, grassroots people working to common goal:
http://www.fairtax.org & http://www.salestax.org
I've barely touched the edges in this thread.
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