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From Eban to Sharon (Joe Sobran on Israel)
Sobran's ^ | April 2, 2002 | Joseph Sobran

Posted on 04/15/2002 10:52:54 PM PDT by Decentralize

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1 posted on 04/15/2002 10:52:54 PM PDT by Decentralize
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2 posted on 04/15/2002 10:54:32 PM PDT by Decentralize
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To: Decentralize
He insists that Yasser Arafat, confined to a dark candle-lit room with only a cell phone, could instantly stop the suicide bombings if he wanted to.

It's not like Arafat disagrees.

He says he won't ask his forces to halt the violence until the Israelis withdraw totally.

3 posted on 04/15/2002 10:56:21 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: xm177e2
and he signs the checks
4 posted on 04/15/2002 11:10:07 PM PDT by arielb
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To: Decentralize
Why is it that certain members of the anti-Immigration right begrudge Israel the same right?
Nations are built on race and Israel has a right to exist just as Italy or the Ukraine does.
5 posted on 04/15/2002 11:19:20 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: Decentralize
Why hasn't this article been removed, for being entirely too candid?
6 posted on 04/15/2002 11:26:39 PM PDT by guitfiddlist
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To: Decentralize
Thanks for the flag ... helpful to see where Sobran's coming from.

Disappointment, dashed illusions and sorrow do not an "anti-Semite" make. His are considered criticisms ... often made with a heavy heart, I suspect.

I feel the same way often. Largely thanks to this place. Grew up as kid enamoured and admiring of many who -- as it turns out -- were not at all the men I thought they were.

7 posted on 04/15/2002 11:37:05 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: rmlew
My friend Cari was standing with two other waitresses -- one Swedish, one Italian -- at the service bar one night and the dimwit manager came up and exclaimed over what an inter-continental staff they had.

"Yeah," she said, "she's from Sweden, she's from Italy and I'm from Jew-land."

I guess, being born here and all ... like her parents and her parents' parents, she wasn't keen on being "foreign" for her Jewishness.

9 posted on 04/15/2002 11:40:34 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: rmlew
Why is it that certain members of the anti-Immigration right begrudge Israel the same right?

Well, with the exception of some Aryan Nation-types, the anti-immigration Right doesn't advocate ethnic cleansing. The Israelis forcibly removed folks and occupied lands that rightfully do not belong to them. Illegal Mexicans have no correlating "right of return" to Southern Cali as the Palestines have to their homes in Israel.

10 posted on 04/15/2002 11:47:17 PM PDT by Decentralize
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Why do the Palestinians speak Arabic? Isn't Arabic only spoken in the Arabian peninsula?

Oh!...I forgot. Some centuries ago the Arabs invaded Palestine, killing thousands and confiscating the property and wealth of the land. And then forcing an alien language and religion on the people.

This is a scenario that they repeated across northern Africa all the way to the south of France. And in the other direction all the way to India and beyond. And north all the way to Vienna.

Perhaps it is time for the Muslim world to begin to shrink, if only a little bit.

11 posted on 04/15/2002 11:49:39 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: Decentralize;LarryLied
Menahem Begin of Poland and Golda Meir of Milwaukee and Russia being allowed to go "home" while dispossessed descendants of those who have lived there for a thousand years are not? Irony...
12 posted on 04/15/2002 11:51:57 PM PDT by luvzhottea
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To: Decentralize
Well, with the exception of some Aryan Nation-types, the anti-immigration Right doesn't advocate ethnic cleansing. The Israelis forcibly removed folks and occupied lands that rightfully do not belong to them. Illegal Mexicans have no correlating "right of return" to Southern Cali as the Palestines have to their homes in Israel.

1. Actually the Mexicans claim they do. Remember that the US took the land in war. (Texad Independence and then Mexican-American War).
2. The Arabs ethnically cleansed first. Ask the Jews of the West Bank communities that existed for 2500 years until the 1920's. For that matter, check out the Judenrein country of Jordan which is made up of 3/4 of Palestine.

3. Israel has Arab citizens. They constitute 18% of the Population and have full rights.

4. 2/3 of "Palestinains" are actually decended from immigrants from other Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon who rented land. (only 9% of the land was owned by Arabs, and that number would be less had the Arabs no started assasinating Arabs who sold land to Jews.)
5. The Us has a right to ask illegal Mexicans to leave. Why not Israel?

13 posted on 04/15/2002 11:59:40 PM PDT by rmlew
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Menahem Begin of Poland and Golda Meir of Milwaukee and Russia being allowed to go "home" while dispossessed descendants of those who have lived there for a thousand years are not? Irony...

Would that be the 2/3 of Arabs living in Palestine in 1946 who were from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq? I find it sad that these Arab countries would not take them back, but used them as weapons.

You forget the fact that more Arabs immigrated to the British mandate from 1890-1946 due to British policies and Jewish development of the land.

14 posted on 04/16/2002 12:02:02 AM PDT by rmlew
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To: Askel5
Being an anti-Zionist does not neccesarily make you an an anti-semite.

Writing for a Holocaust revisionist org like IHR does.

15 posted on 04/16/2002 12:05:53 AM PDT by rmlew
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To: rmlew
What is IHR?
16 posted on 04/16/2002 12:30:18 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: arielb
#4: "and he signs the checks"

I'm quite certain the suicide bombers aren't motivated by money.

19 posted on 04/16/2002 12:59:24 AM PDT by Jethro Tull
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To: Decentralize
Illegal Mexicans have no correlating "right of return" to Southern Cali as the Palestines have to their homes in Israel.

BS! Mexicans have no right of return because we won that territory from Mexico in a war. Same with the territories Isreal occupied. Isreal would be justified in simply annexing those territories, but instead has offered generous terms for the so-called Palestinian people to form their own nation -- no takers, because the 'Palestinians' want all of Isreal. Anyone who uses the term 'Palestinians' as denoting anything unique has their facts muddles to begin with. They are from Jordan, Egypt, SA, from all over the map. The simple fact is that Isreal is willing to co-exist with Moslem states on three sides, if they were willing to do the same. On the other hand, the PLO/PLA and allied terrorists make insincere statements about peace and co-existence for the world's comsumption while continuously and brazenly calling for Isreal's eradication in their own language, and have never altered their charter's call for the same. They live, breathe and practice intolerance and genocide against Jews. If you believe Joe Sobran, you believe the Palestinians want peace and democracy so much they are wiling to target innocent children, teenagers, old folks, etc. in order to get it. What a bunch of total suckers exist in this world that Isreal gets condemned daily around the world for doing what any country has the legitimate right to do when attacked, while the rabid hatred of her enemies is never remarked upon by the Sobranites. The USA and her Allies inflicted much greater civilian casualties during WWII. If we were held to the phoney standards expected of Isreal, we would all be speaking German right about now. Isreal-bashers can all go hang!

20 posted on 04/16/2002 2:18:58 AM PDT by pariah
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