President Announces Early Childhood Initiative

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[dmz]

you wrote: implement our priorities vs the 12 years of liberal feel good and self esteem crap without any accountability

i'm confused 2 terms (x4) for x42 plus
1 term (x4) for bush the elder equals
12 years

did you just state that the first bush administration was one of feel good - self esteem crap?

LOL

[Howlin]

It's not a curious statement at all; there is no way on earth the education money isn't going to spent on education. No way.

Unless YOU have a better plan. Private schools? Home schooling? So will you be teaching the children whose parents won't?

[Howlin]

kids removed from society and from their parents and their parents' values, force-fed mindless pablum, assessed, charted, manipulated, and completely dependent on others to tell them what to do

Maybe you should get a new set of friends; ones who actually participate in their children's schooling and don't lay down and let other people make decisions for them.

[Lizavetta]

Strengthen Head Start to improve the quality of experiences for young children, including training the nearly 50,000 Head Start teachers in the latest and best techniques;

Hopefully this doesn't include gynecology (remember the pelvic checks for "abuse"?)

[rbmillerjr]

you wrote: implement our priorities vs the 12 years of liberal feel good and self esteem crap without any accountability

I'll layoff George Sr., he's retired. Actually the 8 yrs of Clinton just seemed like 12. My misprint.

[WhiteGuy]

The government school system is a failure.

Unfortunately it is going to get much much worse
and cost US billions more before there is any improvement.

Get your kids out now!

[BigTime]

It's not a curious statement at all; there is no way on earth the education money isn't going to spent on education. No way.

Unless YOU have a better plan. Private schools? Home schooling? So will you be teaching the children whose parents won't?

But of course it is a ridiculous suggestion for us simply to accept that government $$ will be spent no matter what we do so we should just accept it. I can't believe you are serious in suggesting as much. There is no such thing as "education money" unless we accept that ridiculous line of reasoning.

In no way is the conservative cause served by individuals encouraging Bush to pursue and expand liberal policies.

[Howlin]

So what is YOUR plan?

[rbmillerjr]

first you have to PROVE that homeschooling and private schooling produce ignorant, violent, immoral people, and that government schools produce learned, peaceful, virtuous people. Start proving!

Logically and common sense wise, all I have to prove is that Public Schools educate the vast majority of students in America.

On the state level, the existence of public schools needs to be attacked

So, you not only attack Federal input into public schools, but the very existence of schools. Are we all going to SHINE shoes or live off the land?

[BigTime]

So what is YOUR plan?

First, why don't you tell me what the alleged problem is that this expansion of government is going to fix and how it will accomplish this goal?

Next, tell me how the welfare system implemented during the Great Society ended poverty as we know it.

Then tell me where you stand on presciption benefits for seniors.

I'm also curious as to what issues we conservatives should also swallow whole if Bush decides to pursue them tomorrow despite our stated positions opposing them today?

[Howlin]

I see you have no answer either. All I needed to know.

[Arthur McGowan]

The vast majority of American children spend most of their time in public schools. Proving that public schools educate them is an entirely different matter.

You haven't thought very much about this issue.

[toenail]

"Maybe you should get a new set of friends; ones who actually participate in their children's schooling and don't lay down and let other people make decisions for them."

We have a whole generation of such kids. What independence and life the social manipulators can't drive out by fingerpainting and balloons, they drive out with Ritalin. You seem to favor an oligarchy over a free republic, and it's a shame.

[Howlin]

What independence and life the social manipulators can't drive out by fingerpainting and balloons, they drive out with Ritalin.

What's really a shame is that you're content to let it continue that way.

[rbmillerjr]

Here is what you said: "If one is going to argue the government schools are needed for the Common Good, first you have to PROVE that homeschooling and private schooling produce ignorant, violent, immoral people, and that government schools produce learned, peaceful, virtuous people. Start proving!

You state the argument as "if govt schools are needed for the Common Good",,,,,,then I have to prove x and disprove y

You are stating that x and y are needed to prove your stated point of argument. ...It is very clear that the fact that the vast vast majority of students are educated in public schools...leads one to think that public schools are the reality of where the problem is and need to be reformed........Private schools (although they are where my son is)and homeschooling contribute very little to the equation of the Nations's education.

[BigTime]

Hold on a minute. You are suggesting that there is a problem to be fixed with more government spending and I'm asking you to define for me what the problem is. You choose not to respond, but instead suggest I am the one who is not responding to your question. But in order to answer your question (what is your plan?), I need to know what I'm responding to in the first place that needs all this government action.

Am I wrong in understanding that the program you are supporting here amounts to more tax dollars spent on education? If that's the case, then tell me how this "plan" is advancing a conservative cause.

[Howlin]

Unless you are totally dense and do not understand the English language, or you are being deliberatly obtuse, my words are as plain as they can be: the money is there to be spent, it is going to be spent, why not direct it toward conservative standards, values, and morales?

Now, you can answer me: what EXACTLY are you going to do when you slash and burn the DOE and take away all its funding.

What is YOUR personal plan to educate the children in this country whose parents don't give ONE DAMN about them?

Or are you just prepared to let them fall through the cracks.

And don't come back and tell me I'm a liberal; I'm am a conservative who likes living in the REAL world, not the pretend world Utopia you guys think is possible.

[toenail]

"And don't come back and tell me I'm a liberal; I'm am a conservative who likes living in the REAL world, not the pretend world Utopia you guys think is possible."

Howlin, I hate to be the one to break it to ya, but you're a flaming parens patrie left-winger.

"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor . . . Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundation, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America." James Madison

[SouthCarolinaKit]

As someone who never was inside a school room until going to first grade (parochial) at the age of six, and who never had trouble with learning from that age through getting bachelors in Math and Physics sixteen years later, I don't understand why children below the age of six are not allowed to have their playtime. The state is not the family and now amount of money will ever replace it.

[BigTime]

Unless you are totally dense and do not understand the English language, or you are being deliberatly obtuse, my words are as plain as they can be: the money is there to be spent, it is going to be spent, why not direct it toward conservative standards, values, and morales?

Temper, temper. Perhaps I am totally dense, because I still have not heard from you why you believe that taxpayer $$ is going to be spent regardless of what the electorate does. But beyond the issue of the dollars now spent on education, as I see it this proposal is about spending MORE money. You are suggesting that there is no way to avoid spending more money regardless of what we do. I'm still astounded that you are claiming to be a conservative if this is your position.

Furthermore, I surely must be totally dense because I don't believe it is possible to use government schools to instill "conservative standards, values, and morales." Precisely what standards, values and morals did you have in mind? Our children are presently being taught how to use condoms and how to engage in various "lifestyles" in the public school system while being told they cannot offer prayer.

Do you really believe that "conservative" values are going to fly in the liberal bastion that is public education? You can't be serious about that.

Now, you can answer me: what EXACTLY are you going to do when you slash and burn the DOE and take away all its funding.

You lurch forward, dear friend, without taking into account my position. The question for today is not how we are going to dismantle the DOE, but whether it is worthwhile to throw more money at it. I do not believe it is.

You are apparently suggesting that the president's intention to spend more money is worthwhile. If that is the case, please tell me how this increased spending will affect the world in which we live one iota other than increasing the taxpayer's burden.