Self-inflicted wounds may scar Java

ZDNet News ^ | March 26, 2002, 5:30 AM PT | Wylie Wong

[Bush2000]

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[Travis McGee]

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[detsaoT]

Microsoft technologies are still the main languages used by software developers

Last time I checked, C and C++ weren't considered "Microsoft technologies".... Is the author stating, instead, that Microsoft Visual C++ is the predominant development environment used in the world? If so, I question the methodology used to come to that conclusion... If, instead, the author is stating that C and C++ (the language) outrankes Java as a development environment, labeling it as "Microsoft technologies" is inaccurate. If anything, "AT&T technology" would be closer to accurate.

(B2k, you know I'm not picking faults with you in particular. We've agreed far to often for that to occur now!)

:) ttt

[cantfindagoodscreenname]

"In my mind, Java is rapidly going to displace all the languages, particularly C++," MIT associate professor Daniel Jackson said, noting that undergraduate students are increasingly teaching themselves some Java even before attending his classes.

I hope this guy is right! My twelve year old son is flying through Ivor Horton's Beginning Java 2 book and loving it. We're hoping he'll be able to start his own business in a few years and pay for his own college education.

If any Java people are on this thread, do you have any advice for us/him?

Candi

[snowfox]

The problem is that you can have ease-of-use, or you can have security. Microsoft chose Ease of use, and people complain about its' lack of security. If Java tries to do the same, they will face the same problem.

[A Vast RightWing Conspirator]

This article is nothing but a collection of subjective opinions. The few facts are largely irrelevant to the topic.

Example - there are lots of Java courses offered by colleges. Well... and they've been into Unix for the past 200 years, weren't they?

[Willie Green]

Due to ill-behaved scripts by myriad, incompetent java "programmers", I routinely browse with java disabled.

This is not a knock of the programming language's capabilities, but the human error is a pain in the @$$.

[dcwusmc]

Bump to read later

[PatrioticAmerican]

As I said before, let's take a look at this six months or a year from now when Visual Studio .NET has had a chance to take hold. Frankly, I think .NET will continue a Microsoft dominance. It still is a rough product, but it has an excellent architecture and promise for fantastic productivity.

[Poohbah]

I am learning OOP in Java, and the language works well.

I think Sun's mistake was to try to tie EVERYTHING to Java, The Language, instead of the Virtual Machine. Multiple languages that compile to a common runtime? Sun could have had that seven years ago, and Microsoft's .NET would be viewed as "gee, that's nice, they're doing the same thing Sun did."

[droberts]

"Those who would trade security for ease of use will deserve and get neither"

- Me, 2002

[Poohbah]

I think you're crossing up Java and JavaScript.

What do Java and JavaScript have in common? The first four letters.

[detsaoT]

This article is nothing but a collection of subjective opinions. The few facts are largely irrelevant to the topic.

LOL, I believe we've had this exact conversation recently. Of course I'd agree that there are quite a few opinions (incorrect ones at that) here. To think that I would say otherwise would be silly! This is obviously written by someone who has a lot to gain by the demise of Java, or something like that. (grin)

Example - there are lots of Java courses offered by colleges. Well... and they've been into Unix for the past 200 years, weren't they?

Actually, wasn't it something like "Four score and seven years ago, our four fathers invented the four tenets of the UNIX kernel, to be taught at the four universities bequeathed by four Deans." Hither sayeth, Hither goeth; yadda yadda. :)

:) ttt

[CasearianDaoist]

C++ was invented at Bell Labs

[js1138]

How did I know from just the title it would be B2K? Can Dominic be far behind?

[AppyPappy]

People don't use Java. They just know people who do.

We use PHP. Java takes too long.

[detsaoT]

We use PHP. Java takes too long.

PHP rocks. Here's an "amen" bump (albeit sans Java-bashing) for ya.

:) ttt

[Willie Green]

What do Java and JavaScript have in common? The first four letters.

I did the Fortran, Cobol, IBM 370 assembly, Basic, and Turbo-Pascal stuff.
HTML is my last-hurrah, I'm tired of re-learning the same garbage over and over again.

Java... javascript.... who gives a hoot when bad-programming is at the root?

I disable them both.

[ThinkDifferent]

People don't use Java. They just know people who do.

I'm pretty sure I'm a person...

"'Write once, run anywhere,' on the server side is simply not happening," Meta Group analyst Will Zachmann said.

Ludicrous. The server side is where WORA actually does work well. The client side is nowhere near as good; Sun has made some major screwups there, although it's slowly getting better.