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District responds in controversial bread knife expulsion
MSNBC ^ | 3/19/02 | Brett Johnson

Posted on 03/20/2002 6:45:35 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

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1 posted on 03/20/2002 6:45:35 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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but his family is taking a stab at getting an exception made to the school’s ‘zero-tolerance’ policy.

Ha,Ha Glad that got by the editor.

2 posted on 03/20/2002 6:48:32 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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So they're going to make an honor roll student take classes with future criminals. Real smart.
3 posted on 03/20/2002 6:49:05 AM PST by Bikers4Bush
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Who the HELL is voting in this poll? over 50% say yes????
4 posted on 03/20/2002 6:49:25 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The lunatics are running the asylum.
5 posted on 03/20/2002 6:49:41 AM PST by OK
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Freep the poll--I can't believe the yes's are ahead.

Force this district to back down or tar and feather its officials. Literally. Band parents together to force this student back into his school. Fierce civil disobedience may be the only thing these people understand.

6 posted on 03/20/2002 6:50:51 AM PST by zook
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One needs only reclassify the offending instrument from "knife" to "kitchen utensil" and the problem goes away.
7 posted on 03/20/2002 6:52:20 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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so.... if someone walks by and drops a butter knife in the open bed of your truck, you can be expelled. Nice.
8 posted on 03/20/2002 6:52:35 AM PST by camle
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"a bread knife was found in the bed of his truck." (MSNBC)

Expelled for a knife foundin the bed of his truck? Any kid driving a pickup truck in that school district is at risk now to pranks by any classmate flipping anything from a pocketknife to a marijuana cigarette into the bed of his truck! Indeed, a kid could be at the mall when the offending article was planted there by a classmate as a prank!

Anyone heard of anything this stupid at a parochial school?

Inside the NEA

9 posted on 03/20/2002 6:54:26 AM PST by glc1173@aol.com
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To: camle
Hmmmm, someone ought to do that, to every vehicle on the school grounds.
10 posted on 03/20/2002 6:54:38 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: SoCal Pubbie
No good ... then a shotgun would be a bedroom closet utensil, and they'd never go for that.
11 posted on 03/20/2002 6:55:35 AM PST by coloradan
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To: Semper Paratus
which mandates the expulsion of a student found with a knife on campus.

Technically, he wasn't - depending on how you divide the sentence.

12 posted on 03/20/2002 6:55:50 AM PST by lepton
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To: OK
Just another reason to abandon "public education."
13 posted on 03/20/2002 6:56:03 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; OrthodoxPresbyterian; the_doc; RnMomof7; CCWoody; xzins; Ward Smythe...
FREEP the poll. Still 53% who think this kid should be expelled.

(Of course, he is probably better off without this type of "publick edumacation".)

14 posted on 03/20/2002 6:56:34 AM PST by Jerry_M
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8:05 AM CST on Wednesday, March 20, 2002- Dallas Morning News- Superintendent: Knife expulsion by the book - By LORI PRICE

[Full Text] BEDFORD - The Hurst-Euless-Bedford schools superintendent said Tuesday that administrators' hands are tied in cases involving zero-tolerance policies.

The acknowledgement followed the expulsion of an honor student who was found to have a knife on school property earlier this month.

During a news conference Tuesday, Gene Buinger said that if school district administrators could untie state policies that sometimes bind their hands in student disciplinary matters, many of them might.

But they can't.

"School districts need more discretion as to the length of penalty, and how that penalty is carried out," said Dr. Buinger, who also said he would support adjusting the law.

Honor student Taylor Hess of L.D. Bell High School in Hurst was expelled from school after officials found a 10-inch bread knife with a nonserrated blade in the bed of his pickup while it was parked on campus.

Robert Hess, Taylor's father, said the knife was left behind after the two helped move the student's grandmother from Cedar Hill to the Bedford area.

Taylor, who was given a one-year expulsion, could end up in the Tarrant County Juvenile Justice Alternative Education Program. A hearing regarding the matter is scheduled for Thursday.

"He's been victimized," Mr. Hess said. "He feels let down."

The knife was turned over to Hurst police, who said they would not pursue criminal action against Taylor.

"There has to be intent," said Lt. Steve Moore of the Hurst police department. "This seems to be more of a bad accident than anything."

H-E-B district administrators said district policy and the Texas Education Code prohibit a student from possessing an illegal knife, one with a blade longer than 5 and a half inches that is "designed to cut or stab another by being thrown," according to the Texas Penal Code.

The Texas Education Code and the district's student code of conduct also states that a student found to have such a knife "must be expelled."

Dr. Buinger did not discuss Taylor's case specifically Tuesday, but he did offer details about laws and policies that lead to the expulsion of students who have knifes on campus.

The district may not substitute alternative punishment for such matters, Dr. Buinger said. The policies are not the creation of local school districts, but are instead required by Texas law, he added.

"In an effort to create safe schools, the state legislature and Congress ... have basically tied the hands of the school district and local administrators who best know the student," Dr. Buinger said.

The district does have some latitude regarding the time-length of punishment, a matter that has been brought into question because of Taylor's expulsion that is set for one-year.

Until the law changes, districts will have to follow the zero-tolerance policy as it is written, Dr. Buinger said.

But that makes no sense, said Sharon Overath, a parent with a student at L.D. Bell. "I understand zero-tolerance, but I think you can take something to an extreme," Ms. Overath said. "We need to look at the total student and a student's record should carry some weight.

"I don't want to hear we can't make an exception, because we do it all the time with plea bargaining and the justice system."

Some say the zero-tolerance policy doesn't allow room for innocent mistakes or coincidence.

"At first, I thought [zero-tolerance] was great, because I support anything that will keep firearms and weapons out of the schools, but now I don't know," said Kimberley Moore."I have a son who's a senior who has been a honor student since the ninth grade and I'm just thinking if this happened to him and he was suspended, I would be upset," she said.

The policy not only leaves little room for discussion, but also lumps "bad kids and good kids in the same group," said Ms. Overath, who has five children in the school district.

"We're just taking a broad brush and drawn it across the whole board," she added. [End]

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I think this law will be changed.

15 posted on 03/20/2002 6:56:43 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: OK
Zero tolerance isn't about protecting our children anyway. They want to condition our children to accept any rule without question and accept whatever punishment they wish to impose.

Orthodoxy is unconsciousness

16 posted on 03/20/2002 6:57:19 AM PST by steve50
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Banish "public education" from your vocabulary. It's government education.
17 posted on 03/20/2002 6:58:19 AM PST by coloradan
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
That poll allows multiple votes and currently is running 56% "expel him" or so. Maybe a school employee is stroking it.
18 posted on 03/20/2002 6:59:01 AM PST by bvw
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everyone of his classmates should come to school with a butter knife....let them expel the whole class.....
19 posted on 03/20/2002 6:59:04 AM PST by cajun-jack
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I think this superintendent is a coward.
20 posted on 03/20/2002 7:00:08 AM PST by zook
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