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Nuking New York
Fred On Everything ^ | 18 March 2002 | Fred Reed

Posted on 03/18/2002 4:19:28 PM PST by SwinusMaximus

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To: SwinusMaximus
Whatever you think of Fred's opinion, he makes the point of why the US will attack Iraq, and soon. After 9/11, I can easily imagine the terrorists using a nuke on an American city, if they get their hands on one.
41 posted on 03/18/2002 8:24:19 PM PST by TheDon
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To: jurisdog
And this guy had the nerve to mock the terrorists spelling. Best not to throw stones when your house is built of glass.
42 posted on 03/18/2002 8:31:50 PM PST by danielobvt
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To: SwinusMaximus
Bullseye.
43 posted on 03/18/2002 8:41:07 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: RightWhale
One nuked city would be a total economic disaster since the threat of more bombs would empty our cities.
44 posted on 03/18/2002 8:42:47 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Davea
I think the princes have been told that if an American city is nuked, there will be no more mecca and medina an hour later.
45 posted on 03/18/2002 8:44:31 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Zorobabel
Bingo.
46 posted on 03/18/2002 8:45:12 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: jurisdog
Oh puh-lease. Take your muslim/moslem pretensions elsewhere.
47 posted on 03/18/2002 8:46:58 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: jurisdog
I don't understand your reaction to "moslem". I've seen it spelled that way before. It is an old spelling. It's from before "muslims" and after "mohammedans". This guy is from canada, correct? The brittish and even canadians have some different spellings for some words. Maybe "moslem" is one of those differences.
48 posted on 03/18/2002 8:47:23 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: TheDon
The question is: will millions of mohammedans still make the haj to lay down and kneel and pray at the edge of a mile wide smoking radioactive crater where their black moon-god rock used to be?
49 posted on 03/18/2002 8:50:44 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
Of course it would very likely mean the nuke arsenal would be used in quantity that would guarantee no other nations could take advantage of the displacement. Very likely Russia would also nuke several of the ones they would be most concerned with. If Russia and America can avoid nuking each other in the meantime, the world might recover in, oh, 2 or 3 hundred years. Or a couple thousand years otherwise.
50 posted on 03/18/2002 8:52:04 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: SwinusMaximus
A police state like the one he describes as 'right wing' sounds more like what the leftists want.
51 posted on 03/18/2002 8:58:40 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Bush2000
The real question remains: If you're going to nuke these countries to slag, where do you stop?

When we run out of Arab Islamic countries might be a logical stopping place

52 posted on 03/18/2002 9:00:03 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Davea
we are right on the edge of a nightmare. Then again, we'll see.

Prophets don't hedge. Are we, or are we not? Won't do any good to be uneasy all the time, but it might be a good idea to buy another can of Spam for the fallout shelter just to ease the tension.

53 posted on 03/18/2002 9:02:47 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
There is no predictive model which can foresee the mass psychological outcomes, hence it is all pure speculation.
54 posted on 03/18/2002 9:07:56 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: RightWhale
"the world might recover in, oh, 2 or 3 hundred years. Or a couple thousand years otherwise."

I'll still bet on the small mammals.

55 posted on 03/18/2002 9:10:26 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
How will squirrels survive without dog food to steal?
56 posted on 03/18/2002 9:13:15 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
"How will squirrels survive without dog food to steal?"

The squirrels may not make it either. I'll be more specific and choose the underground living field mice.

57 posted on 03/18/2002 9:18:14 PM PST by blam
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To: Bush2000
we wouldn't know who to blame.

......let God sort them out.

58 posted on 03/18/2002 9:19:21 PM PST by Stentor
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To: SwinusMaximus
Is Fred on target, or what?

I think Fred is very much on target and I thought it an excellent piece.

I'm beginning to get concerned about all this Iraq talk. And not because I don't believe fervently that Saddamn Hussein is a ferocious despot desperately needing removal from any position of power. But I've definitely noticed an increase in the Iraq rhetoric of late and there's that Cheney trip going on.

It seems like this thing is ratcheting up while my mind's still up there in those mountains being bombed in Operation Anaconda.

What *really* concerns me is a column I just read by Robert Novak. Now I quite like Mr. Novak as he strikes me, out of all the pundits with questionable credentials, as a fellow very in the know and on the inside. Politicians discuss things beside spin with him is what I'm saying here.

Anyway, Novak reports that he's spoken to, get this, a couple of REPUBLICAN senators, one of which he names and one he doesn't, and all are concerned about this increased war talk.

One senator was on the blabbity-blab government blabbity-blab oversight committee and another was on and equally blabbity-blab committee no doubt created to make the lesser congress critters feel important. At any rate, both on these committees should have, at least as I saw it, had a clue with what is going on with this war.

Instead they're talking to a reporter about their concerns? I mean, if the elected leaders don't know what's going on, and by the tone of Novak's column I discerned these guys were *not* kidding, how are *we* supposed to know?

Which worries me that we have one man...the President...who is obviously making all the decisions about this war with no consultation or advice to anyone in the legislature!

Is this one of these "sometimes you just gotta trust" moments in history? Because we have to trust someone. Either Samdamn's about to move soon or the whole Iraqi thing is a devout desire by a son wanting to vindicate his unappreciated father if you get my drift?

Ah but I've ruminated enough. This is the kind of thought brought to me by Fred's column.

59 posted on 03/18/2002 9:25:17 PM PST by Pat Fish
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To: TheDon
After 9/11, I can easily imagine the terrorists using a nuke on an American city, if they get their hands on one.

The fact that Musharaff may have moved some of his Paki nukes westward towards the Afghan border is a bit nervous-making--what with all those caves and Al-Qaida characters hopping around the mountain passes.

Pakistan's Nuclear Forces, 2001

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It is extremely difficult to estimate the number and types of nuclear weapons in Pakistan's arsenal. Outside experts estimate the country has between 24 and 48 nuclear weapons. The weapons are based on an implosion design that uses a solid core of highly enriched uranium, requiring an estimated 15–20 kilograms per warhead. Seismic measurements of the tests conducted on May 28 and 30, 1998, suggest that the yields were on the order of 9–12 kilotons and 4–6 kilotons respectively, lower than Islamabad announced. Chinese tests in the 1960s used similar designs, and it is suspected that the Chinese assisted Pakistan's program in the 1970s and 1980s.

It is unclear how much weapons-grade uranium Pakistan has. For two decades, Pakistan pursued a gas centrifuge uranium-enrichment method to produce fissile material for its nuclear weapons, at what is now known as the Abdul Qadeer Khan Research Laboratories in Kahuta. By the early 1990s, some 3,000 centrifuges were thought to be operating. Although Pakistan declared a moratorium on the production of highly enriched uranium in 1991, experts think it resumed production well before the May 1998 nuclear tests. The most reliable estimate is that Pakistan has produced enough fissile material for 30–52 nuclear weapons.

Like other nations that have developed nuclear weapons, Pakistan does not seem content with a first-generation nuclear weapon and may be pursuing other designs and refinements. The 40- to 50-megawatt thermal Khushab reactor, at Joharabad in the Khushab district of Punjab, can produce weapons-grade plutonium. Loading the reactor's target materials with lithium 6 could produce tritium. Plutonium separation reportedly takes place at the "New Labs" reprocessing plant next to the Pakistan Institute of Nuclear Science and Technology (Pinstech) in Rawalpindi. Through these efforts Pakistan seems to be positioning itself to increase and enhance its nuclear forces significantly in coming years.

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The assembled nuclear bombs and/or bomb components for these planes may be stored in an ammunition depot near Sargodha. Alternatively, the weapons could be stored at other operational or satellite bases further to the west, near the Afghanistan border,where the F-16s would pick up their bombs.

Pakistan's Nuclear Forces, 2001

60 posted on 03/18/2002 9:30:54 PM PST by henbane
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