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Do Republicans need a Legislator with an attitude like Wexler or Boxer to begin speaking out?

Posted on 03/18/2002 8:50:49 AM PST by VanNay

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To: AppyPappy
You nailed it right there. The press villifies outspoken Republicans and conservatives while it glorifies hateful, vitriolic liberals. Example: If you're anti-abortion, you're a judgmental, opinionated, religious kook whose views are antiquated and rare. If you're pro-abortion, you're a reasonable, rational, non-judgmental moderate and all good modern thinkers agree with you. The media are a huge part of the problem here.
21 posted on 03/18/2002 10:03:18 AM PST by GenXFreedomFighter
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To: GenXFreedomFighter
If you're pro-abortion, you're a reasonable, rational, non-judgmental moderate and all good modern thinkers agree with you. The media are a huge part of the problem here.

How can you honestly say that? The press did not give Clinton a free ride. However, they (the press) always have a pro-abortion spokesman on. They give more airtime to right wing conservatives like George Will, Keyes, and Buchanan. Can you name 1 real left wing spokesman that has as much airtime as George Will? ...and by the way, Clinton is not a leftist; he is a moderate.

22 posted on 03/18/2002 10:19:28 AM PST by alarma_da
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To: VanNay
Republicans did. Remember Joe Scarborough from Florida? He was on FNC, and had Wexler foaming at the mouth. It was fun to watch.
23 posted on 03/18/2002 10:21:41 AM PST by Frohickey
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To: alarma_da
No, they didn't give Clinton a free ride, but some things he pulled were so obviously scandalous that they had to smack him around a little bit. And they do give conservatives airtime, but look at how they're treated in "straight" news coverage (a la Dan Rather) when nobody's being interviewed. As for Clinton being a moderate, he didn't get to be the leftist he wanted to be (see Hillarycare and the 1994 election). Check out Bias by Bernard Goldberg sometime. You'll see what I'm talking about.
24 posted on 03/18/2002 10:41:44 AM PST by GenXFreedomFighter
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To: grlfrnd
Newt was great. He scared 'em all.

So did B-1 Bob. And he is gone too.

25 posted on 03/18/2002 10:44:59 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: GenXFreedomFighter
No, they didn't give Clinton a free ride, but some things he pulled were so obviously scandalous that they had to smack him around a little bit. And they do give conservatives airtime, but look at how they're treated in "straight" news coverage (a la Dan Rather) when nobody's being interviewed. As for Clinton being a moderate, he didn't get to be the leftist he wanted to be (see Hillarycare and the 1994 election). Check out Bias by Bernard Goldberg sometime. You'll see what I'm talking about.

I have not read Bias, but I will. Lets say Dan Rather skews his reporting in a pro-Clinton way (which I see no evidence of). He is still one "Liberal" voice compared to the conservative talking head gallery on Meet the Press, This Week (in Washington), and anything on Fox. I am not suggesting that the Media is right wing; I am saying that it is a myth that the Media is control by (and skewed) "liberals". If anything, the media is corporate owned...and I do not believe corporations are liberal

26 posted on 03/18/2002 12:50:47 PM PST by alarma_da
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To: jpl
Republicans don't vote for someone based on how they look on television.

Many people do -- those 20% middle-of-the-road morons whose votes we need.

27 posted on 03/18/2002 12:53:35 PM PST by Sloth
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To: VanNay
Do Republicans need a Legislator with an attitude like Wexler or Boxer to begin speaking out?

we do his name is tom delay(best repub in congress), but unfortunately the libs in the press dont fawn over him like boxer or wexler any time a conservative speaks out the dems use the more than willing press to help smear them as evil right wingers while boxer and wexler are just democrats delay and newt are "far right conservatives"
28 posted on 03/18/2002 12:56:59 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: alarma_da
The press did not give Clinton a free ride.

They most certainly did, with regard to policy.

29 posted on 03/18/2002 12:57:24 PM PST by Sloth
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To: alarma_da
and by the way, Clinton is not a leftist; he is a moderate.

are you high have you been listening to clinton since he left office and i quote "will spend my life redistributing the worlds wealth" he just knew he couldnt be that liberal and win elections look what happened in 94 after clinton showed his true colors
30 posted on 03/18/2002 1:03:55 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: redsoxallthewayintwothousand2
Sorry...can't agree on Tom Delay...good man..bt we need someone to LAUGH at these people!! Ridicule is the BEST antidote......who can do this???
31 posted on 03/18/2002 1:13:04 PM PST by Ann Archy
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To: redsoxallthewayintwothousand2
are you high have you been listening to clinton since he left office and i quote "will spend my life redistributing the worlds wealth" he just knew he couldnt be that liberal and win elections look what happened in 94 after clinton showed his true colors

Are you high? Do you think the political spectrum is from Clinton (far left) to Hitler (far right)? What about Norm Chomsky and Ralph Nader? Now they are leftist...Or is it that you are so far right, Clinton is a communist?

32 posted on 03/18/2002 1:24:54 PM PST by alarma_da
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To: alarma_da
Are you high? Do you think the political spectrum is from Clinton (far left) to Hitler (far right)? What about Norm Chomsky and Ralph Nader? Now they are leftist...Or is it that you are so far right, Clinton is a communist?

ok he is not a nader but he is very liberal he just couldnt act that way after 94 he ran in 92 as a moderate to get elected but after taking office he moved far left and paid a big price in 94 then he moved toward the center again
33 posted on 03/18/2002 4:55:31 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: redsoxallthewayintwothousand2
ok he is not a nader but he is very liberal he just couldnt act that way after 94 he ran in 92 as a moderate to get elected but after taking office he moved far left and paid a big price in 94 then he moved toward the center again

What you said is very true. But if he had to move towards the center because of the pressure on the right, wasn't that a good thing? I am upset that in today’s political climate, moderates are skewered because they are not right enough...what kind of debate is that? ...Another thing that upsets me, is that bush is in the white house and he got most if not all of is conservative agenda passed...and the right still bitches that it needs more...

34 posted on 03/19/2002 8:30:08 AM PST by alarma_da
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To: redsoxallthewayintwothousand2
ok he is not a nader but he is very liberal he just couldnt act that way after 94 he ran in 92 as a moderate to get elected but after taking office he moved far left and paid a big price in 94 then he moved toward the center again

What you said is very true. But if he had to move towards the center because of the pressure on the right, wasn't that a good thing? I am upset that in today’s political climate, moderates are skewered because they are not right enough...what kind of debate is that? ...Another thing that upsets me, is that bush is in the white house and he got most if not all of is conservative agenda passed...and the right still bitches that it needs more...

35 posted on 03/19/2002 8:30:38 AM PST by alarma_da
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To: Yakboy
What we need is another Donald Rumsfeld.
36 posted on 03/19/2002 8:35:33 AM PST by Attillathehon
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To: alarma_da
If anything, the media is corporate owned...and I do not believe corporations are liberal

What makes you think that? Generally speaking, corporations are profit oriented, so I can understand how corporations would not be far leftists, as having their corporation confiscated by the government/workers would be pretty stupid. However, an individual corporation could do quite well under a left-liberal economic regime.

Suppose you have an internet company that also owns a television network. That internet company might be able to destroy all of its competitors if a certain regulation is passed. Sure, the regulation would cost them as well, but the increased profits from their new monopolist position would more than make up for those losses. Is it not conceivable that the corporation's television network might not take a more pro-regulatory stance whenever the proposed regulation is being considered in Congress? (All of this assumes, of course, that the content and bias of a network is determined by the board of directors, which I'm not sure is true).

Even if we say that the corporations are never economic left-liberals, that still leaves them free to be social left-liberals. If a news broadcast is constantly airing anti-gun, anti-smoking, anti-hunting, or anti-homschooling stories, that makes them liberally biased in my book, even if they're not calling for higher taxes or more government spending.

37 posted on 03/19/2002 8:49:16 AM PST by timm22
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To: timm22
Even if we say that the corporations are never economic left-liberals, that still leaves them free to be social left-liberals.

And a lot of the CEO's are social liberals. Good point, and then there's this: The corporations don't exercise a lot of control over news content, except for sometimes killing stories that put their businesses in a negative light. They tend to stay away from the purely political stuff.

38 posted on 03/19/2002 11:31:15 AM PST by GenXFreedomFighter
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To: VanNay
We don't need to stoop that low.

Doesn't anyone know what planet Wexler is from anyway?

He's like a creature out of Greek mythology.

39 posted on 03/19/2002 11:40:30 AM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: timm22
What makes you think that? Generally speaking, corporations are profit oriented, so I can understand how corporations would not be far leftists, as having their corporation confiscated by the government/workers would be pretty stupid. However, an individual corporation could do quite well under a left-liberal economic regime.

I am not sure if I get your point here. If an individual corporation could do quite well under a left-liberal economic regime, shouldn’t that be a good thing. But I do not see a majority or a minority of corporations advocating "left -liberal" economic policy

Suppose you have an internet company that also owns a television network. That internet company might be able to destroy all of its competitors if a certain regulation is passed. Sure, the regulation would cost them as well, but the increased profits from their new monopolist position would more than make up for those losses. Is it not conceivable that the corporation's television network might not take a more pro-regulatory stance whenever the proposed regulation is being considered in Congress? (All of this assumes, of course, that the content and bias of a network is determined by the board of directors, which I'm not sure is true).

But if corporations do own and pay for the advertising, then the editors and news people, will be more reluctant to do investigative stories that might harm the corporate sponsors, the news people and "analysts" then just become the mouthpieces of the corporations. We saw that with the analysts recommending Enron stock. The whole idea with the 4th Estate is to question and investigate the powers that be...do you think the mass media is still an independent voice?

Even if we say that the corporations are never economic left-liberals, that still leaves them free to be social left-liberals. If a news broadcast is constantly airing anti-gun, anti-smoking, anti-hunting, or anti-homschooling stories, that makes them liberally biased in my book, even if they're not calling for higher taxes or more government spending.

I am sorry; I do not see a lot of anti-gun, anti-hunting, or anti-home schooling reports...even though I do see anti-smoking commercials. I now see pro-bush, pro-war, pro-corporations, and pro-Republican "news" stories...Can you honestly say that media is going after bush as they did Clinton?

40 posted on 03/19/2002 1:44:28 PM PST by alarma_da
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