Posted on 03/03/2002 6:26:29 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
Edited on 04/13/2004 1:39:16 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
It's the disparity that I think is wrong. It's wrong in principle.. It's shades of grey and a reversal of the facts.
But, we aren't going to see eye to eye on this obviously.
so, regards.. Have a good sunday.
Bump. Where has this occurred please.
The fact is, he hadn't thought that far ahead and both he and his "handlers" apparently think that people are stupid and that his original answer to that question was satisfactory.
"The sales, the first under last year's revisions to the four-decade-old embargo, have re-ignited the farm lobby's efforts to make it easier to sell food to Cuba. But it remains doubtful that policies will change because President Bush is an embargo supporter. Today's shipment includes 22,000 tons of corn for animal feed and 4,000 tons for human consumption."--Source: Miami Herald
Q: Many people point to an increase in visits by U.S. lawmakers and business people, as well as Cuba's historic purchase of $35 million of grain and recent comments by Raúl Castro about increased cooperation in the area of drug trafficking enforcement, migration and anti-terrorism tasks, as a warming of relations between Washington and Havana. Is it true? A: No, there's not a warming of relations. But there's certainly a charm offensive on the part of the Cuban government. Nothing has changed in the relationship and nothing will change as long as Cuba doesn't make fundamental changes that President Bush has laid out, and the administration has said that the particular concern in the case of Cuba is human rights, civil liberties and free elections in Cuba. --Source: Miami Herald
Yep, and he was throughout the Primary. I swear, I didn't think the guy could dress himself. And it's not my fault for thinking so after his poor performance.
Well, honestly no one did other than Bower. Pat wasn't in the Primary and everyone else (from both Parties) pretty much agreed that they could care less about the disparity in treatment or about hindering China Trade. He probably figured it wouldn't come up, and he was almost right.
Yeah, he was going for that populist soundbyte.. which is a bad tack to take with someone as sharp as Bauer. (well till he lost his mind and endorced John McNutt anyway.. He probably just drools messes on himself these days)
Also, I am the only person I have ever seen on FR refrence this debate and the "well not if I AM President" king talk, nonsense at the end of it.. So, maybe the handlers weren't too far off the mark after all.
LOOK up at post# 105.
I'm off to the store Demigog. Thanks for the give and take.
Furthermore, if you'll notice the issue is not the idea since there is a certain amount allowed now. The issue is the amount which is quite unprincipled. Bush is not qualified to decide who I may trade with.
Other than protecting unsuspecting US businesses from an unscrupulous Castro, you have yet to outline your reasons for the Embargo. The Embargo only serves to strengthen his grip on power. He's in his sixth decade of power and the Embargo has done NOTHING to loosen his grip. Castro is FOR the Embargo. The pro-Embargo crowd doesn't realize they're playing right into his hands.
We aren't allowed to invest in Cuba (or even travel there) and even Dubya doesn't deny that one third of our trade with China benefits the Peoples Liberation Army.
Further they sell arms to terrorists. Financing china is financing the enemy and arming them against all of us. Taiwan included.
Why finance the PLA and Terrorism? Why help finance the invasion of Taiwan? And the distinction between "socialist" and "communist" isn't much of a distinction at all.
Tell it to the people rotting in China's prisons for religion, tell it to the parents of students who were crushed with tanks.. This is not what happens in China, and if we were to treat China as we do Cuba, how long do you think that Nike and others will still own their production plants over their..
That makes no sense.
By your logic we should lift the embargo and force competetion between Cuba and China, thereby lowering prices.
Why not?
Are you too stupid to invest your own money as you see fit?
China is just as bad and just as evil as Cuba, actually moreso.. so there goes that one.
Trade with China benefits the PLA, terrorists and endangers our allies far moreso than with Cuba.. so, there goes that one.
Costs go down when competition increases, there goes that one.
Now you are left with government telling people they can't travel there of their own free will or invest their own money as they see fit because they are too stupid?
That's your argument?
The "stupid" thing was purely hypothetical, no offence intended and not directed at you as an individual.
I apologize it it seemed to be otherwise.
And, as I am doing allot on this thread, if we have to dissagree, we can do that and I still wish you a nice sunday afternoon.
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