Posted on 02/15/2002 6:50:19 AM PST by DoSomethingAboutIt
You know, Nietzsche would probably laugh his @$$ of if he could see where you get with his ideas.
Here's the post that you responded to. Explain "where you get with his ideas".
If Neo-Tech is so powerful, why does it look like a 14 year old designed the site?
Zon: They have their reasons for designing their Web site the way they deem necessary. "Fitting in" is certainly not in their repertoire. You'll notice that the site for the most part is clutter free.
I mean, if they know the key to riches, you would think they could afford a multi-million dollar site huh?
Zon: Interesting that you mention affordability. Neo-Tech Publishing (NTP) turned down a million-dollar-profit infomercial offer because it would have detracted their efforts away from their goal.
Nor is it in Micro Pasqualini's but that does not mean that your site must look like an rank amature did a $200 cheese site for you. [Emphasis mine.]
I already told you in post #413 which you responded to so we both know you saw that post, that it is not my Web site. I also seem to remember telling your prior to this thread that it isn't my Web site.You are either a liar or just pitifully incompetent. Take your pick.
To: Texaggie79...It's not my Web site...
So, presentation is the first thing the eye sees. It should be professional if people are to respect it. It looks like my cousin threw that site together in geocities.
Considering that you are a liar and/or pitifully incompetent, your comment isn't worth spit.
I only go by what my own eyes see, and my eyes see a horribly designed site that exposes the extremely low budget that backs it.
Considering that you are a liar and/or pitifully incompetent, your comment isn't worth spit.
I have no reason to defend the Neo-Tech Web site. It does just fine on it's own. Speaking of defending something, what do you think about bearing false witness?
Well, assuming you agree with all that neotech psychobabble.
You really should post that on the Neo-Tech comments page. Here's a link to the negative comments so you can read a few while your at it. Here's the link to post your comment and you can even vote 'yes' or 'no' as to whether you think the Neo-Tech Web site should stay on the WWW.
I'll do it again, and explain it for you.
Just because you want to be original does not mean that you need a cheap site.
Nowhere in there is Zon being spoken of. It is a statement addressing a rule of web design. Which ZONPOWER obviously cannot handle.
That's what I was talking about in my first post, not you and Tex's diatribe over the lack of javaskill involved in the site.
That would be Texaggie79's diatribe...
diatribe: verbal thunderous attack.
Well, it wasn't verbal, but Texaggie79 did attack the site design. I never did. Please get your facts straight.
I responded to your first post and I'm more interested in your response to my post #442 wherein I responded to your first post.
Zon: It's not my Web site...413
Texaggie wrote: that does not mean that your site must look like an rank amature did a $200 cheese site for you. 440
I never said it was YOUR website. When I said "that does not mean that your site" , "your" was used in the general sense. It addressed ANY siteowner.
The ongoing discussion was specifically about the Neo-Tech Website.
Depends on the meaning of "is", right?
More importantly, you didn't answer the question, please do so: What do you think about bearing false witness?
There are LIES, and there are white lies. White lies are valid for several occasions. Be it to spare someone's feelings, like when you are asked by someone if they look fat. Be it for good natured fun, such as telling your buddy that there is someone behind them, after seeing a scary movie or telling kids that there is a santa clause. Or be it to protect the innocence of childhood, such as telling kids about the stork.
There are LIES, and there are white lies. White lies are valid for several occasions. Be it to spare someone's feelings, like when you are asked by someone if they look fat.
So it's okay to lie even though it implies approval of ill health and obesity. Why? Because you'd rather not hurt the overweight person's feelings. Their health be damned and early death caused by obesity doesn't hurt their feelings? See where rationalizations lead. They appeal to emotions at the cost of health. Whereas critical thinking and honesty leads to maintaining physical fitness. A person acts rationally by putting health before beauty and it's no surprise that they gain more real beauty in the process. Certainly much more than the overweight person that believe the lies they're told.
Be it for good natured fun, such as telling your buddy that there is someone behind them, after seeing a scary movie
Temporary distortion of reality while not going to great lengths to put forth the distortion as actually being real. Within seconds, if the "target" hasn't gotten the joke the jokester says, "hey, it was only a joke, okay?"
or telling kids that there is a santa clause.
Not a temporary distortion of reality pressed against a fully developed mind as in the previous "joke example". Instead, the young child with an innocent, undeveloped mind is left to struggle through figuring out the distortion of reality for him or herself -- often taking years to sort out. The young child's innocent mind has been polluted with mysticism. The young child struggles to accurately identify reality. The most trusted persons are their parents. Whom the child looks up to, often relying on a parent to confirm that in fact the young child has accurately identified reality or has not. Parent's and a child raising village pollute the young child's growth in the name of having fun. Some degree of bonding is diminished due to neglect. Though due to a lesser degree of pollution forced on the young child's innocent mind the tooth fairy and Easter bunny lies have similar, though less harmful negative effects.
Or be it to protect the innocence of childhood, such as telling kids about the stork.
That's nothing more than a rationalization by people that are too inept or irrational to deal honestly with reality. Turn on a Discovery-type channel and the young child sees that animals give birth. But to nearly a billion people the innocence of childhood must be polluted toward adulthood. Why? Because sex is dirty and the parent has no presence to equate making love as the cherished act that brought a marvelously, beautiful child into the parents lives and the world. Nope, it's just sex. In effect the stork lie degrades the beneficial effects of making love for the parents and the child. Some degree of bonding is never experienced due to neglect.
Here's the kicker, most adults are oblivious to an objective-reality perspective because they too grew up from a young child with an innocent mind having their minds polluted as they grew toward adulthood. Creating all manner of rationalizations for acting on emotions rather than having rational thought and rational actions beget emotions grounded in honesty.
There are LIES, and there are white lies. White lies are valid for several occasions. Be it to spare someone's feelings, like when you are asked by someone if they look fat.
So it's okay to lie even though it implies approval of ill health and obesity. Why? Because you'd rather not hurt the overweight person's feelings. Their health be damned and early death caused by obesity doesn't hurt their feelings? See where rationalizations lead. They appeal to emotions at the cost of health. Whereas critical thinking and honesty leads to maintaining physical fitness. A person acts rationally by putting health before beauty and it's no surprise that they gain more real beauty in the process. Certainly much more than the overweight person that believe the lies they're told.
Be it for good natured fun, such as telling your buddy that there is someone behind them, after seeing a scary movie
Temporary distortion of reality while not going to great lengths to put forth the distortion as actually being real. Within seconds, if the "target" hasn't gotten the joke the jokester says, "hey, it was only a joke, okay?"
or telling kids that there is a santa clause.
Not a temporary distortion of reality pressed against a fully developed mind as in the previous "joke example". Instead, the young child with an innocent, undeveloped mind is left to struggle through figuring out the distortion of reality for him or herself -- often taking years to sort out. The young child's innocent mind has been polluted with mysticism. The young child struggles to accurately identify reality. The most trusted persons are their parents. Whom the child looks up to, often relying on a parent to confirm that in fact the young child has accurately identified reality or has not. Parent's and a child raising village pollute the young child's growth in the name of having fun. Some degree of bonding is diminished due to neglect. Though due to a lesser degree of pollution forced on the young child's innocent mind the tooth fairy and Easter bunny lies have similar, though less harmful negative effects.
Or be it to protect the innocence of childhood, such as telling kids about the stork.
That's nothing more than a rationalization by people that are too inept or irrational to deal honestly with reality. Turn on a Discovery-type channel and the young child sees that animals give birth. But to nearly a billion people the innocence of childhood must be polluted toward adulthood. Why? Because sex is dirty and the parent has no presence to equate making love as the cherished act that brought a marvelously, beautiful child into the parents lives and the world. Nope, it's just sex. In effect the stork lie degrades the beneficial effects of making love for the parents and the child. Some degree of bonding is never experienced due to neglect.
Here's the kicker, most adults are oblivious to an objective-reality perspective because they too grew up from a young child with an innocent mind having their minds polluted as they grew toward adulthood. Creating all manner of rationalizations for acting on emotions rather than having rational thought and rational actions beget emotions grounded in honesty.
People are well aware of their health. The question is, would you tell your wife that she was looking a bit flabby if she appeared to be getting that way?
Or what if a child is singing and wants to know what you think, and you really think they aren't a good singer? Do you tell that child that they are no good, or do you lie and say that they sing nice? What if you buddy wrote a song, and you didn't like it, would you tell him, or do the noble deed of brightening his day, and telling him that you like it?
Within seconds, if the "target" hasn't gotten the joke the jokester says, "hey, it was only a joke, okay?"
Oh, so even YOU will bend the rules, as long as it is for a short period of time. If you are going to practice what you preach, ANY falsity would be wrong. Why not hold to your psychotic extremes?
The young child struggles to accurately identify reality.
Did your parents not tell you that Santa was real? You don't sound like you experienced him. When a child reaches a certain maturity level, they understand, from their own cognition that Santa is a fantasy that adds to the fun of childhood. There is no confusion, there is no struggle. Even without an adult telling a child about fantasy, they will create their own. Now should the parent spend all day telling the child that none of that is real and that they need to face reality? You have never had kids I bet.
Creating all manner of rationalizations for acting on emotions rather than having rational thought and rational actions beget emotions grounded in honesty.
Now you are just spouting off the same crap I read on that site.
It appears that you were searching for something and you settled for some lame @$$ religion. You say it's not religion, but it is. I read their beliefs. They worship the mind and rational thought that God gave them, yet pay no respects to the creator. They worship money, as it is a promise of success in their beliefs. Which still amazes me how someone that is supposedly good enough to teach it has the cheesiest and cheapest looking site there is this side of cousin Ed's home page. Now if it were a Christian site, I would see no problem with it being cheap looking and corny. Jesus is not about wealth and material. But ZONPOWER is obviously fixated on material, as it promises MONEY as the success of it.
Methinks you need Jesus in your life bud......
People are well aware of their health. The question is, would you tell your wife that she was looking a bit flabby if she appeared to be getting that way?
First off your original comment was this: “Be it to spare someone's feelings, like when you are asked by someone if they look fat.”449
First off, she wouldn't let herself get flabby. If she did I would be concerned for her health and beauty and talk to her about both. I can maintain honesty without resorting to lying. A person can't be honest while lying if the only reason is to save a person's feelings. I'd expect the same from my wife. We owe it to ourselves first to be healthy and second to the relationship.
An honest lie would be if your life depended on it. For example, a terrorist points a gun at your head and says “if you don't agree with me I pull the trigger”. No matter how much you disagree with the terrorist, lying is the sanest thing to do. It is even honest. How can that be honest? Your lie is used in self-defense to a terrorist that violated you by initiating a threat of force. By their act of initiating force they have lost any right to garnering your respect toward them. This is not about sparing an innocent person the possibility of hurt feelings. It is about lying to a criminal that wants to kill you.
Or what if a child is singing and wants to know what you think, and you really think they aren't a good singer? Do you tell that child that they are no good, or do you lie and say that they sing nice?
You do realize that you are using rhetoric in many of your responses and questions throughout our discussion.
Are you telling me that you have no tact? Are you telling me that the child doesn't want the truth? Are you telling me that it is better to lie to save feelings than confront reality responsibly?
Those kind of rhetorical questions add little value to the discussion. You'll notice that I seldom use them because I chose rational argument to support my position.
For example, “well Jimmy I think your sound okay but I'm your father and I could be biased because I love you so much. But if you'd like we can get you singing lessons.”
Would you lie to the child and tell him or her that they sing good. Then the child goes to show off his “great” singing voice to all the kids saying, “Texaggie79 said I sing really good.” And the kids are truthful and unfortunately ridicule the little “singer” and say nasty things about Texaggie79's tin ear. Gee, do you think the little singer being ridiculed and having his mentor Texaggige79 ridiculed in front of him would help the little child that wants to learn how to sing? Is ridicule a lesson you think the child should learn?
What if you buddy wrote a song, and you didn't like it, would you tell him, or do the noble deed of brightening his day, and telling him that you like it?
Again you give an either or choice of totally ruining his day or totally agreeing with him. I do have musician friends and when they ask my opinion I never lie to them. They appreciate that. We're still friends twenty five year later.
Oh, so even YOU will bend the rules, as long as it is for a short period of time. If you are going to practice what you preach, ANY falsity would be wrong. Why not hold to your psychotic extremes?
Did I say that I do practical jokes? No. See my first comments on this post where lying is honest when used in certain self-defense situations. If you do a practical joke on someone and for a fluke unbeknownst to you the person is harmed who otherwise would not have been harmed if not for your temporary distortion of reality you could and should be held accountable for your part. It's an accident, not a crime. You had no intent to harm the person just as in a car accident you have no intent to harm the other driver. Still you must own up to your responsibility. Suppose your practical joke caused the person to have a heart attack. I bet you might have second thoughts the next time you try and pull a practical joke? But then again, you may feel no remorse over helping cause the persons' heart attack and wouldn't give it a second thought. Maybe it was your overweight wife whom we know overweight people are more prone to heart attacks. Talk about compounding the problem of lying. First you lie rather than discuss concerns of them being overweight then you pull a practical joke on the overweight person that helps to cause a heart attack.
Now you are just spouting off the same crap I read on that site.
That certainly showcases your inability to form rational argument.
It appears that you were searching for something and you settled for some lame @$$ religion. You say it's not religion, but it is. I read their beliefs. They worship the mind and rational thought that God gave them, yet pay no respects to the creator. They worship money, as it is a promise of success in their beliefs. Which still amazes me how someone that is supposedly good enough to teach it has the cheesiest and cheapest looking site there is this side of cousin Ed's home page. Now if it were a Christian site, I would see no problem with it being cheap looking and corny. Jesus is not about wealth and material. But ZONPOWER is obviously fixated on material, as it promises MONEY as the success of it.
So instead of rationally arguing against my comments you chose to attack something that I once read. Which I might add it was you that drug it into the discussion, not I. You brought it into the discussion several times with nothing other than the intent of attacking it. You started your barrage in posts #391, 392, 393, 395, 399, 401 and so on. Do note that during your initial barrage there was no response from me. You were just posting one attack right after another. Talk about posting abuse.
Methinks you need Jesus in your life bud......
Why? ...Will Jesus teach me how to be a reality distorting liar like you advocate. Will I learn how to create all manner of tail-chasing rationalizations to defend lies like you have?
Finally, in the future when you want to attack Neo-Tech post your attacks at their Web site instead of dragging it onto Jim Robinson's forum and attacking it in his “living room”. You can do that two ways, post your comment by clicking through the “Cast Your Vote For or Against Neo-Tech” link and you can also post to Neo-Tech Networking Board #12, titled: Attack Neo-Tech.
If I say I like your singing, but I migh tbe biased. I would STILL be lying if I didn't like it. You are just slipping around the point to try to maintain your psychotic position. It does not hold up. And I will attack Neo-Techless as long as you continue to spew their garbage on here.
Like I thought. You ain't got kids.
I don't have kids. Whopdedoo. You guessed right. What do you want a medal or a chest to pin it on?
If I say I like your singing, but I migh tbe biased. I would STILL be lying if I didn't like it. You are just slipping around the point to try to maintain your psychotic position. It does not hold up.
YOU slipped around the point. I've had young children sign to me and I loved it. Was their signing any good? I just said I loved it. You may have thought their singing sucked and chose to lie about it. I on the other hand was very moved by the whole experience.
From my last post: For example, “well Jimmy I think your sound okay but I'm your father and I could be biased because I love you so much. But if you'd like we can get you singing lessons.”
Isn't it interesting that you spend so much time trying to accuse me of lying for other than legitimate life or death self-defense purposes so that you can "justify" your lies. But I don't tell lies and I most certainly don't tell reality distorting lies to you children with innocent minds like you are so proud of doing.
Ain't that a hoot. Blind followers of external authorities tend to follow rather than lead their own lives. Your religion is your own demise and you don't even see it. I've given you several examples that expose how the lies that you thought were harmless are in fact harmful. You just keep coming back with more rhetoric and even drag in a Web site that has nothing to do with the discussion in your attempt to change the subject. You try to demonize Neo-Tech and attach me to your demonizing.
I'll tell you the same thing I told CulturalJihad...
"Noting your obvious discomfort I do suggest you read the Web site because if you honestly want to know who your worst "enemy" is and what they have in their arsenal the quickest way to educate yourself to their strengths is to read The Neo-Tech Discovery II.
"I've read most of the site and from reading your post on FreeRepublic over the years I can say for certain that Neo-Tech is your worst "enemy". Ironically, baring bio-chemical/nuclear holocaust or you committing suicide, Neo-Tech will only benefit you and cannot harm because it is the antithesis of the initiation of force, fraud and coercion."
And I will attack Neo-Techless as long as you continue to spew their garbage on here.
Everything I have written has been my own words. If you want to play your silly games how about you quote scriptures that advocates telling reality distorting lies to young children with innocent minds.
So if you didn't like it, you would have been honest? They sing their heart out for you, and you truly thought that it was not good, you would tell them that when they asked you if you liked it?
I do suggest you read the Web site
I did, funniest thing I have read since TheOnion.com. It's nothing but a joke. I'm surprised anyone finds that site to be serious. I think you have been snookered. It's one big parody.
I do suggest you read the Web site
I did, funniest thing I have read since TheOnion.com. It's nothing but a joke. I'm surprised anyone finds that site to be serious. I think you have been snookered. It's one big parody.
I'll remember that you said that. Obviously then you're not the least bit concerned about the Neo-Tech/Zon information being your worst enemy. Fine. Don't bring it up anymore. DUH!
BTW, thanks for supporting one side of the honest vs. dishonest juxtaposition. You'll be famous, or is that infamous? Either way, thanks. You may have the last word.
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