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Grass roots, politicians differ on immigration
Arizona Republic ^ | February 14, 2002 | Jerry Kammer

Posted on 02/14/2002 7:08:49 PM PST by AzJohn

Edited on 05/07/2004 5:20:49 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: AzJohn
Big bucks are not found among "cultural conservatives" or blue collar Democrats.

Its particularly galling that liberals point to popular opinions polls when they substantiate their positions on constitutional issues involving inalienable human rights, i.e. the Second Amendment, but on issues like immigration and affirmative action, they take the opposite tact AND SUCCEED!!

42 posted on 02/16/2002 9:31:39 AM PST by ZULU
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To: sneakypete
Because we only have one political party,and the elites in both brances who run this party see personal profits and power coming from the invasion of immigrants. They don't give a damn what the sheeple who vote for them think.

Both major parties are ending up in the same spot now, but I see two different debates actually taking place.

In the Democratic party the ethnic politics coalitions and the lefties have pretty much won the debate. You don't hear any opposition to immigration anymore from the traditional blue-collar unions, at least not that I can recall lately.

There are a lot of business interests on the Republican side pushing immigration. And there is a libertarian argument made in favor of immigration. But I think we still have a debate going on in the GOP. Although at the moment the pro-immigration people have the upper hand.

43 posted on 02/16/2002 9:46:27 AM PST by AzJohn
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To: sneakypete
You foretell an astounding future. Do you think a political union between the U.S. , Mexico and Canada is a fait accompli ? Can you recommend realistic courses of action that Americans who oppose such a scenario could take? P.S. as far as Jeb Bush's Mexican wife and their son: That played an important part in W's political rise.
44 posted on 02/16/2002 10:32:06 AM PST by Love America or move to ......
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To: Okiegolddust
Intensity trumps preference," Norquist said. Few Americans make voting decisions based on immigration policies, he said, so the issue has little practical political effect. He drew another moral from the story: "Politicians pay more attention to elections than they do to polls." Americans may respond to polls but they lack any drive to take action to reduce immigration. The "politicaly correct elites" have succeeded in affixing the "racist" label to anyone advocating IR. The Southern Pov. L.C, those darlings of the P.C.I., list practically all IR groups as racist. I attended an IR conference last August on Long Island , N.Y. It was publicized through IR organizations as well as the local press. High profile IR figures from California and national groups were featured speakers. Do you know how many people besides press, the organizers and featured speakers/organizations showed up? About 25.
45 posted on 02/16/2002 10:47:15 AM PST by Love America or move to ......
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To: Love America or move to ......
Do you think a political union between the U.S. , Mexico and Canada is a fait accompli ?

Yes,it is inevitable. It is the result of Bush-1's "New World Order",or Bubba-1's and Tony Blair's "The Third Way". In the end,it amounts to "Corporate Governement",which is a version of fascism.

Can you recommend realistic courses of action that Americans who oppose such a scenario could take?

Well,I could say spread the word as far as possible,and encourage everybody you know to get politically active and call or write their representatives. I could,but I honestly think all this is a waste of time at this point. It's gone too far and the elites in both branches of our ruling party stand to make too much money and gain too much power from it for them to give it up. It's a done-deal. All that is left is the fighting,and I doubt there will even be much of that. ESPECIALLY after they issue everybody new ID cards that serve as debit cards,and they make cash money illegal. After all,it just makes sense to have "universal credits" instead of 3 different currencies,right?

Once they establish a cashless society,all they would have to do then to shut-down political dissent is put a freeze on your ID number. If you can't use your debit card to buy gas,you can't go to any protests. If you can't use it to get food,pay your mortage/rent,or even to spend the night in a motel,you will quickly call the police and turn yourself in so you can eat and get warm. Problem solved,and with none of that nasty civil disobedience,either!

46 posted on 02/16/2002 11:11:40 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: AzJohn
Mine the border...bump
48 posted on 02/16/2002 9:34:43 PM PST by alphadog
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To: sneakypete
Once they establish a cashless society, all they would have to do then to shutdown political dissent is put a freeze on your ID number.

So would this cashless society workwith out electricty? just wondering..

49 posted on 02/16/2002 9:46:24 PM PST by alphadog
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To: alphadog
work without... typo bump
50 posted on 02/16/2002 9:48:19 PM PST by alphadog
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To: alphadog
So would this cashless society workwith out electricty? just wondering..

No,but shutting down the electricity would effectively shut down everybody's debit/credit number. As far as that goes,shut down the electricity at any dept store NOW,and see how nobody is able to pay for anything. The cash registers won't even open.

51 posted on 02/16/2002 10:13:13 PM PST by sneakypete
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