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Mysterious Force Holds Back NASA Probe In Deep Space
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 2-10-2002 | Robert Matthews

Posted on 02/09/2002 6:34:49 PM PST by blam

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To: blam
The Great Attractor!


81 posted on 02/09/2002 8:23:15 PM PST by Pistias
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To: RogueIsland
You are correct, Rogue.
82 posted on 02/09/2002 8:23:43 PM PST by brat
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To: longshadow; RadioAstronomer; ThinkPlease; Physicist; PatrickHenry; VadeRetro; edwin hubble
thanks for the ping, longshadow. Gravity is helping to provide full employment... I was thinking of just some gravity anomalies (not necessarily understood, explained or confirmed): very small scale: (micron) quantum effects (neutron behavior - very recent)-

Journal reference: Nature (vol 415, p 297)

Also Casimir effect (quantum zero point fluctuations)--

small scale: (meter) Eotvos Experment (reported meter-scale secondary (repulsive anomaly) effects dependent on material (M vs Z; spin characteristics?); 100 years of repeated experiment - inconclusive; (larger scale experiments: now using corner-cube reflectors of Apollo on the moon)

solar system scale: (10 A.U.) (attractive anomaly) Pioneer anomaly (this thread)

cosmic scale: (20 billion light year)(repulsive); cosmological constant

83 posted on 02/09/2002 8:23:55 PM PST by edwin hubble
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To: RightWhale
an impact to the gravity constant way down in the less significant digits.

Thats what I'm thinking as well.

84 posted on 02/09/2002 8:27:59 PM PST by cascademountaineer
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To: blam
--my completely unsubstantiated guess is non-precise calculations, bad data by a small degree, leading to erroneous conclusions.

second guess, totally different. correct conclusions, reason for slow down is from the presence of onboard radio transmitters, the propogation itself, they are somehow tied in with gravity.

/layman's guesses

85 posted on 02/09/2002 8:28:39 PM PST by zog
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To: Joe 6-pack
My first thought...

"Kepten, there's a Hand on the ship!!

86 posted on 02/09/2002 8:29:00 PM PST by The Chid
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To: blam
Should Pioneer 10 make contact with alien life, it carries a gold-plated aluminium plaque on which the figures of a man and woman are shown to scale, along with a map showing its origin that Nasa calls "the cosmic equivalent of a message in a bottle".

plus a message from Nazi-turned-U.N. General Secretary Kurt Waldheim ... almost like saying "hello aliens, we are an evil planet of Nazis ... please come destroy us with your ray-beams ..." ... oops on that one ...
87 posted on 02/09/2002 8:30:50 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Southack
Mix this with "no known life in the universe except us" (after 30 years of looking) and you start coming up with weird conclusions. Computer?
88 posted on 02/09/2002 8:33:12 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: Rebelbase
whats the speed of dark?
89 posted on 02/09/2002 8:38:40 PM PST by al baby
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To: blam
Thanks for this post.

These things keep us humble.

There is a little bit that we understand and a lot that we don't.

90 posted on 02/09/2002 8:50:29 PM PST by edwin hubble
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To: RippleFire
that pic is awesome ..... pardon me while I shamelessly copy that sucker .... there's a science fiction parody waiting to be born for that one.
91 posted on 02/09/2002 8:53:06 PM PST by Centurion2000
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To: blam
Hmmm. 6 mph per century? A force one ten billionth of gravity? That's 10 decimal places.

I sincerely doubt that any physicist or astronomer knows the exact value of the gravitational constant out to 10 decimal places.

They also don't know the exact mass of the spacecraft - there may be residual fuel onboard that wasn't used but isn't accounted for in the mass calculation.

92 posted on 02/09/2002 8:53:26 PM PST by RandyRep
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To: blam
We've had to explain how the universe works using "dark matter", WIMPS, MACHOs, and so on.

Maybe there is something subtle we don't know yet about light, gravity, and space. This is exciting news, we may be on the brink of a new understanding of where we live.

This data will have to be watched for a long while! Perhaps a deep space interferometry experiment or long paseline ring laser gyro would shed some (delayed) light on the "matter".

93 posted on 02/09/2002 8:55:00 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Southack
"Acceleration in the opposite direction is also known as deceleration..."

I'm not referring to deceleration. In referring to a slight acceleration in the direction of motion away from Earth and the solar system. I remember reading about this a few years ago. Maybe as little as two years ago. The people monitoring the Voyagers and the Pioneers said the space craft were speeding away from the the Sun at a faster rate than predicted. And these scientists had no explanation for the phenomenon. Some proposed explanations included:

i) The pressure of sunlight on the vehicles.
ii) Possibly some sort of gas leaking from the space craft slighly accelerating them.
iii) The expansion of space -- thus effecting the measured speed of the space craft.
iv) Measurement errors.
v) Something effecting the radio signals from the space craft.

Now they say the vehicles are inexplicably slowing down. Albeit, very slightly.

94 posted on 02/09/2002 8:55:12 PM PST by StormEye
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To: Glick & Burnett live on.
Do you think the "gold plated aluminum" pressing of a man and woman "done to scale" has a woman with Hillary's ass?

Well, if it is Hillary's fatass, and if they are aliens, then they will be overjoyed at finally finding their fat-assed goddess.

95 posted on 02/09/2002 8:55:30 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: zog
I hold with the "what goes up must come down" explanation.

It's clear and simple, and can be understood by the people.

96 posted on 02/09/2002 8:57:12 PM PST by Ken H
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To: blam
They are hitting dust, scattered molecules, and other particles.
97 posted on 02/09/2002 9:02:45 PM PST by RLK
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To: StormEye
What is the possiblility of the transmissions being the source of the odd data?

Its possible that the spacecrafts trajectory continues to remain constant, but the radio signals are being affected.

As the spacecraft approach the Oort cloud, the transmissions might be getting interference from an electrical discharge.

Just speculation.

98 posted on 02/09/2002 9:04:05 PM PST by cascademountaineer
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To: blam

Dark Matter in the Universe

As much as 90 percent of the matter in the universe
is invisible. Detecting this dark matter will help astronomers
better comprehend the universe's destiny

"Based on 50 years of accumulated observations of the motions of galaxies and the expansion of the universe, most astronomers believe that as much as 90 percent of the stuff constituting the universe may be objects or particles that cannot be seen. In other words, most of the universe's matter does not radiate--it provides no glow that we can detect in the electromagnetic spectrum.

"First posited some 60 years ago by astronomer Fritz Zwicky, this so-called missing matter was believed to reside within clusters of galaxies. Nowadays we prefer to call the missing mass 'dark matter,' for it is the light, not the matter, that is missing."

Perhaps the answer to that mysterious force lies HERE.

99 posted on 02/09/2002 9:05:29 PM PST by henbane
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To: blam
Maybe it is the gravitational pull of bubbas big ass head.
100 posted on 02/09/2002 9:12:08 PM PST by satchmodog9
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