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Proposed Northern Arc divides neighbor from neighbor, Southside from Northside
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 02/04/02 | Julie Hairston

Posted on 02/04/2002 4:33:40 PM PST by FreedomFriend

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To: cva66snipe
" In other words money talks and my rights as a property owner come second to the developers money and political influence."

There will always be wealthy, influential people, and crooked polititions (is that redundant?), and all that can be done without making it worse is to be resiliant.

We bought property that is surrounded on 3 sides by the stanislaus National Forest to have a secluded place, but even that has it's price. There is no electric power, or telephones, and transitmix concrete trucks won't go out that far, so life proceeds slowly there, and with much physical labor.

41 posted on 02/04/2002 8:04:26 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: FreedomFriend
"So you would suggest paving over the entire countryside..."

It's not a question of what I would suggest, but of what 30,000 people yearning for a more rural atmosphere will do by their sheer presence. - You are not going to stop it, so find a way to take advantage of it.

42 posted on 02/04/2002 8:08:31 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor
Let me ask you this? Are you a developer or a member of the big-business conglomoration?

What do we have to gain by this? Answer: Really nothing. More of the same suburban development that goes from Woodstock to S. Forsyth to Buford. Isn't Atlanta big enough for you?

43 posted on 02/04/2002 8:17:26 PM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: max61
Much of Atlanta's traffic woes would be resolved by simply teaching people how to drive in a lane other than the left most lane.

Hear hear.

Buncha Texans.

44 posted on 02/04/2002 8:27:54 PM PST by Askel5
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To: editor-surveyor
Do you know where the first true test of the endangered species act actually occured? It was the Tellico River Dam project in Tennessee. Since the 1930's the era of FDR's New Deal the Tennessee Valley Authority has been the biggest abuser of Eminent Domain in the entire southeast United States. The Tellico River among their worst abuse ever.

The persons who used the ESA didn't care about the snail darter they were sick and tired of an irresponsible and unaccountable government created utility daming up everything that flowed even when it was clear no benefit or need was justified by doing it. Nobody told TVA no. They did as they pleased to whom they wished. That was the case of the Tellico River. The property was comdemned and the farmers ran off for what TVA offered. TVA after a long court battle built the dam. But the insult was yet to begin.

They sold the condemned lake front property after the lake was filled to high dollar developers at cheap prices for homes in the $1m plus range. Not one person forced off their land got a fraction of it. Each and every lake in Tennessee and in the 7 state TVA area except for Reelfoot was built by TVA.

Some of the states most historic and most prime farm land was destroyed for political favors and nothing more. I mentioned I avoided a previous interstate the land was sold and other land bought in an area not shown for growth. Well TVA believe it or not found me though. Yea a 180,000 volt transmission line in my back yard so to speak. Yes I agree electricity is good. I also think that logic dictates to locate a substation as close as possible to those feeder transmission lines.

To avoid taking any land that might remotely be used by developers TVA ran a 3 mile route across the side of a ridge and split my property in half doing so. A more suitable site was avaible and would have required a 500 foot route and one parcel of land. This is our federal dollars at work ripping us off.

45 posted on 02/04/2002 8:34:03 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: editor-surveyor
Thanks for the info.
46 posted on 02/04/2002 8:50:59 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: FreedomFriend
A little story for all to keep in mine:

In Christiana, Pa. there was a bridge that was closed for many years. It was a small problem as it is a small town of about 1200 people. One day it was decided to remove and rebuild this bridge. The state came in and started telling property owners (all, who by the way were in their late ages) that they had to go. No it, ands or buts. Well, of course this pissed many town folks off and they started to tell the state where to get off. In the mean time, the young (all ladies are young in my book)lady of around 75 years, who had the house right next to the bridge, took ill because of the strain of losing her house, where not only did she live since marriage, but also her husband had died a few years before all this crap from the state started. The next thing was that we had to place her in God's Grace. In light of this the state backed down and all the house's were allowed to stand pat. To this day, I have always wondered how we have gotten so far off the path where a man's home used to be his castle... And the all mighty dollar is greater then morals and what's right.. :-(

47 posted on 02/04/2002 9:12:01 PM PST by Refinersfire
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To: FreedomFriend; editor-surveyor
Seems like widening 20 would be so much easier. Buy up one complete side in right of ways, either N or S side, and build there. Looks like that is what they are doing on the N side of 20 from Canton to Cartersville.
Not too familiar with the area so I really can't say. Right of ways, roadside properties, housing, any new zoning ordinances...so much to consider and it isn't my neck of the woods so it is a little hard to comment on.
48 posted on 02/04/2002 11:04:10 PM PST by philman_36
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To: FreedomFriend;editor-surveyor
government meddling into the issue so much, and proposing transportation projects where it is not likely needed

I can't argue for or against the Nothern Arc, but I can agree that tranportation projects are not always built to serve the need of the public.

In Houston we are building a 7.5 mile train that will run from our new football stadium to our new baseball stadium. The cost at startup is $40,000,000 a mile. It will have very little value as public transportation.

49 posted on 02/05/2002 12:08:53 AM PST by Flyer
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To: editor-surveyor; FreedomFriend
Thanks for the ping, e-s.
While I agree that growth is a necessary evil, the manner of this project's depiction seems to show that the powers-that-be are trying to appease the watermelon groups in order to push the project forward:
The commission board said it would continue planning the road, but with eight conditions. Those included the limitation of interchanges to "freeways" only, use of tolls to fund its construction, acquisition of large "scenic" buffers on each side of the highway and aggressive land-use planning throughout the corridor.
The only 'buffer' I would approve is an additional ten feet, wherein they place a twenty-foot high sound screen barrier on each side of the road. As someone else said, it would be better for the area to buy out one side of the Route 20 road and expand there, but that impacts more voters and businesses along the route. You also know that their version of aggressive land-use planning has little involvement of the owners of the properties compared with the stakeholders they kowtow to.

I don't know enough about the area other than what is presented here, but I think this project is overkill. Just MHO. Cheers.

50 posted on 02/05/2002 2:27:06 AM PST by brityank
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To: FreedomFriend
I live in downtown Atlanta near the intersection of I-20, I-75-85. Rarely am I stuck in traffic, I'm usually going the opposite of everyone else.

I don't think the growth can be stopped. What would traffic be like on the northside without Ga-400? I think the Northern Arc will eventually be built. It's just a matter of time.

51 posted on 02/05/2002 3:14:11 AM PST by Atlantian
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To: FreedomFriend
As a retired Professor from Ga. State, Gumbert is now seeing the results of Liberal "Government Uber Alles," so widely supported by acadamia. Its OK to screw with the property rights of "common people" for "the common good" but they scream when they are subjugated to the same treatment. I have ZERO sympathy for them.
52 posted on 02/05/2002 3:40:05 AM PST by bimbo
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To: editor-surveyor
Maybe they should use the ESA to stop the hiway. There has to be a bug there that's endangered (ha ha ).
53 posted on 02/05/2002 3:42:39 AM PST by Eustace
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To: editor-surveyor;FreedomFriend
That's what I had been thinking while reading the article. It seems like the common sense approach, but I'm guessing this is more about the money than any interest in actually finding a logical, quick, and effective solution. Good luck!
54 posted on 02/05/2002 4:01:34 AM PST by SusanUSA
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To: brityank
You made some very good observations in pointing out the lies of the government and big business establisment. The public is nothing more than a few puppets to be told to be quiet.

I have no problem with the right of ways for the road to remain. However, I believe that the road should only be built if, and when, development in the area allows for it. As it is now, they haven't even widened Georgia 20, and parts of Georgia 20, particularly west of Canton, aren't that bad in the traffic department.

55 posted on 02/05/2002 6:55:37 AM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: bimbo
The question, though, is whether Mr. Gumbert supported government transportation projects in the past, regardless if they didn't receive any input from the private property owners in the area.

It's easy to assume that a university professor is a liberal. However, that may not be the case, so we can't say that he is getting what he asked for.

I attended Georgia State, and the sociology, anthropology, arts and humanities professors are definitely liberal. In terms of other fields, it depends.

56 posted on 02/05/2002 6:59:40 AM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: SusanUSA
Oh, that is the common sense approach. Ga. 20 from Cumming to the Mall of Georgia/Sugar Hill area can be quite backed up. Why is that, though? Could it be because it is only a two lane road. If they were to widen Ga. 20 to four to six lanes, it would alleviate the entire problem.

As far as the rest of the road, even with a two lane, the road moves fine during rush hour. It is hard to turn onto during rush hour in the Canton to Cumming segment, I'll agree. However, if that's a problem, four lane it.

57 posted on 02/05/2002 7:03:07 AM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: Eustace
Let's not go that way. Government land grabs are a no-no in any Conservative's mind.
58 posted on 02/05/2002 7:04:04 AM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: Flyer
and let me guess? The public had to pick up the tab for such waste?
59 posted on 02/05/2002 7:05:39 AM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: max61
Much of Atlanta's traffic woes would be resolved by simply teaching people how to drive in a lane other than the left most lane.

---max

So, you're saying that all the congestion is in one lane, while the right-hand lane is empty? You hate Georgians that much?

60 posted on 02/05/2002 7:24:18 AM PST by mrustow
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