FREEP THIS POLL: "Can gay couples make good adoptive parents?"

CNN ^ | 2/4/2002 | who cares

[who knows what evil?]

Wait a minute. . . in a thread devoted to deliberately biasing a poll, you complain that the other side deliberately biased the poll?

Was I complaining? Merely pointing out the absurdity of the results, based on the reason you cite. A few hundred Freepers will participate in this poll to make a statement, whereas the sodomites will use the results to bolster their argument that they should be allowed to adopt children. (See? Nearly 50% of respondents say OKAY to homo adoption!) They will use this poll, and others, to justify their position to thr world at large. While they may persuade liberals and a percentage of soft-hearted women, they will NEVER be able to justify their lifestyle to G-d Almighty. That's why I don't get too wound up about these "gay agenda" polls...the sodomites may post a few victories here on earth, but in the end, they will lose everything.

[yarddog]

Just how do you know what he knows?

I have no idea what most pediatricians think on the subject, but I do know the AMA has made some really stupid statements re: gun control. It is clear their agenda has absolutely nothing to do with protecting peoples health and everything to do with promoting leftist social programs.

I also know that until fairly recently homosexuality was offically listed as a psychological disorder by the American College of Psychiatry. Does anyone doubt that the change was made for political rather than scientific reasons?

[womanvet]

I see no one has yet challenged your remark about financial resources, as if money could make up for perversion.

We live well below what is called the poverty line. In spite of that, I never worked for money when my dh was alive, and yet we raised a large family without accepting help from government agencies.

What a child needs to be well raised is not money, but a loving mother and a loving father who have a normal relationship, so the child will understand the difference between men and women, and be able to take his/her place in society when grown.

We now have 10 grandchildren and two children still at home, all of them have grown up normally, and no mother has to work. When some other child told my youngest that she was not important because she was "so poor", my little girl replied with a great deal of dignity that her family was very rich, we just did not have any money.

So much for financial resources. Go back to DU where people like being victims.

[ArGee]

One to watch with a barf bag handy..

Or simply pray about and keep lunch down.

I wonder that it hasn't really chilled the entire subject of fertility/paternity/responsibility that some danish man who donated his sperm so a lesbian couple could "have a child" now has been hit with a child support requirement.

If nothing else tells us that we have taken a turn for the sicker, the complexity of family relationships should be a clue.

Shalom.

[ArGee]

An academy report, based on related research, says "there's no existing data to support the widely held belief that there are negative outcomes" for children raised by gay parents. . .

But they're only doctors whose careers are devoted to the well-being of children.

That one liner tells us nothing about the report or the related research. The only report I have seen that says anything positive about children raised by gays studied the children for two years. The study needs to follow them for at least 20 before any conclusions can be drawn.

As for them being devoted to the well-being of children, I know too many doctors whose careers are devoted to big houses and nice vacations. That's not to say that there aren't many doctors who are absolutely devoted to the care and well being of their patients - but those types rarely have time to become active in professional organizations.

Homosexual parents are not in the best interests of children. Two gender families are. That's the way it has been for millennia, and it has not changed.

Get used to it.

Shalom.

[Fethiye]

Not to gloat or anything, but the endorsement by the Academy of Pediatrics (which was the occasion of this poll) likely means that if anyone will have to get used to anything, it's you who will have to get used to gay couple adoptions.

But also, you set up what I believe is a false dichotomy -- between adoptions by gay couples and by "two gender families." First, the choice is more likely between a stable adoptive home and a series of foster homes. So what you are in essence arguing for is keeping a number of potentially adoptable children in foster homes over the next twenty years, because you think that's how long we should wait to see if negative indications arise in studies of children raised by gay couples -- even though there is no such indication yet. The children thank you, I'm sure.

[ArGee]

Not to gloat or anything, but the endorsement by the Academy of Pediatrics (which was the occasion of this poll) likely means that if anyone will have to get used to anything, it's you who will have to get used to gay couple adoptions.

Well, first of all, I'm not the one who is going to be wounded by being raised by a homosexual, so it's not really all that important whether I get used to anything or not.

But the myth that Same-Sex Attraction Disorder (SAD) is normal is eroding faster by the day. I am not really worried that I'll have to get used to anything. I know that PC disease has invaded the American Acadamy of Pediatrics like it has the ABA and the APA. But serious researchers are still finding out the truth and the truth usually will out.

SAD is a disease. It is not normal and we don't have to tolerate it. If we want to do the compassionate thing, we will continue to remind people who suffer from SAD that there is hope and help.

The left can continue to shout it's orthodoxy, of course, but their shouting just rings more hollow every day.

Shalom.

[Fethiye]

A hollow ringing is in the ear of the beholder.

[ArGee]

A hollow ringing is in the ear of the beholder.

This is absolutely true. One must understand before one can see (or in this case, hear).

Just out of curiosity, are you SAD, a homophile, or just an observer who feels the necessity to support the SAD lifestyle?

I'm only curious. It would help me to respond to you in a more reasonable manner.

Shalom.

[Fethiye]

Gay, if you please.

[azhenfud]

Thanks Joe,
As I see it, this is just another tactic of the Phags to get their hands on one more sanctioned family benefit. Since "rectal babies never live" (as quoted from our fellow Freeper, George W. Bush), these queers are trying a way around the otherwise impossible chance of having biological kids concieved through their "unnatural affections" to ultimately demand equal family status. Soon they will demand the same "family" tax breaks endowed upon straight adoptive parents, and again, taxpayers will eventually be funding another means to support them and their perversion while the innocent kids become the victims of results worse than those of the broken home. Are we to wait a decade to see the negative consequences of our negligence in this matter? The kids can't wait that long...
Az

[ArGee]

Gay, if you please.

I don't please. Gay has a meaning that has nothing to do with sexual preferences. One can be happy or unhappy regardless of the presence or absence or nature of sex in their lives. I'll use homosexual if SAD offends you, but I object to your attempt to redefine the language.

Shalom.

[Fethiye]

Call me what you want. But there's no need for me to "attempt" to redefine gay as meaning homosexual. It already does. You can look it up in the dictionary.

It's "SAD" that's going to have to be redefined to mean what you want it to. Until then, you'll have to explain your meaning in mixed company, lest people think you're crazy.

[ArGee]

Call me what you want. But there's no need for me to "attempt" to redefine gay as meaning homosexual.

Since I've been alive for more than 20 years, I can remember when gay was redefined. It does not mean homosexual. It means happy and carefree.

And I will be happy to define SAD as need be. Everyone needs a reminder that there is a way out of your lifestyle. You aren't required to take it, or even to want it. But if you ever do want it, you should know it is there. You should never allow yourself to believe the lie that you were born homosexual and have no choice, even if homosexual is the choice you prefer.

Shalom.

[ArGee]

Looks like someone could use a little SASU help.

Shalom.

[psycho-sis]

Coming from a severely "broken home " my question is this; What is more damaging to a child --- a gay and monogamous two parent household or a single mom who brings home different men every night and makes no effort to conceal it?

[Always Right]

Its kind of a silly quesion don't you think?

You are right, it is a silly question. Why anyone would perfer a gay couple raising a child is silly.

[Fethiye]

Is that you Mr. Webster?

And thanks for the kind offer of a "way out." I'll be sure to use it, should I ever become dissatisfied with that particular essential characteristic of my very being. I only wish I could offer you a way out of your own predicament.

[ArGee]

And thanks for the kind offer of a "way out."

I know where you're coming from, and I understand what you believe. I disagree, but that's not important.

I have several ex-gay friends. If you accept the idea that you are born this way and there is no option for you, then if the time ever comes that you really want something else you will be without hope.

If that day ever comes, remember that not everybody supports the politically correct orthodoxy. Most of those who don't are people who actually used to be homosexual, just like you. They know what you are, and what you can be. You may not agree with them now, and you may not be able to ever imagine needing their help now. Just don't forget them. Tuck the information away somewhere. You can say goodbye to the homosexual lifestyle if you decide you want to. There is hope.

And, if you never decide you want to, the knowledge won't have wasted much space.

Shalom.

[azhenfud]

What do YOU think?