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Vanity Post on Vanity Posts, Duplicate Posts, Trash Posts, Commie Propaganda, etc., Vol V, No. 1
FR | 2/2/02 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 02/01/2002 9:16:23 PM PST by Admin Moderator

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To: VMI70
The devil is in the details.

Agreed.

This is long, but it details explicitly what happened to the crew after Time Magazine spilled the beans. Do you endorse stooping to Time's level?

There were reasons why Time spilled those beans, reasons why they were given those beans, so to speak, to spill in public in the first place. You'd do well to learn a good deal more about the subject matter besides a quick scan of that Time article.

Read the results here. It is horrifying.

Just so, and that is not the worst of it, though the CTs aboard were supposedly intelligence community professionals who knew and understood the risks of their business. Equally horrifying is the reason those men were placed in their position in the first place, and the decision to keep them in the dark as to the reason they were allowed to suffer that fate for a year, then to receive no recognition for their best attempts to bear such allegience to their oaths of loyalty as they could for all the years since. But there was indeed a reason, which I hope was a good enough one for the consciences of those who chose to sacrifice them in that manner.

And if civilian journalist Pearl is maintaining that same allegience to this country as the Pueblo sailors did, he deserves far better treatment than they received, and should his death result, it should be categorized as the same sort of sacrifice as that of Todd Beamer and his fellow passengers aboard Flight 93 after his reported last words of *let's Roll and the crash of that aircraft in a location other than where the terrorist hijackers aboard had intended. But let us hope that it doesn't come to that.

Everything following is from the link you kindly provided. I would suggest you read the story.

I am very familiar with the story, as I am with Captain Bucher's account of the event in his semi-autobiographical Bucher:My Story , the AGER-2 website, the book Over the Line: North Korea’s Negotiating Strategy by Chuck Downs, The Last Voyage of Uss Pueblo,. by Ed Brandt and several other related unclassified references, and also to after-action reports that I do not believe will ever see the light of day. Though the events on board the Pueblo are horrifying enough, a glance at a calender should help you further understand just what forces were at play.

But if you care to get a better understanding of what is going on for WSJ reporter Pearl, those are your starting places as well, acrobatic and specious though they may be.

*Hey, look at the little red stars on their sailor caps....*

261 posted on 02/05/2002 7:47:57 AM PST by archy
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To: VMI70
The devil is in the details.

Agreed.

This is long, but it details explicitly what happened to the crew after Time Magazine spilled the beans. Do you endorse stooping to Time's level?

There were reasons why Time spilled those beans, reasons why they were given those beans, so to speak, to spill in public in the first place. You'd do well to learn a good deal more about the subject matter besides a quick scan of that Time article.

Read the results here. It is horrifying.

Just so, and that is not the worst of it, though the CTs aboard were supposedly intelligence community professionals who knew and understood the risks of their business. Equally horrifying is the reason those men were placed in their position in the first place, and the decision to keep them in the dark as to the reason they were allowed to suffer that fate for a year, then to receive no recognition for their best attempts to bear such allegience to their oaths of loyalty as they could for all the years since. But there was indeed a reason, which I hope was a good enough one for the consciences of those who chose to sacrifice them in that manner.

And if civilian journalist Pearl is maintaining that same allegience to this country as the Pueblo sailors did, he deserves far better treatment than they received, and should his death result, it should be categorized as the same sort of sacrifice as that of Todd Beamer and his fellow passengers aboard Flight 93 after his reported last words of *let's Roll and the crash of that aircraft in a location other than where the terrorist hijackers aboard had intended. But let us hope that it doesn't come to that.

Everything following is from the link you kindly provided. I would suggest you read the story.

I am very familiar with the story, as I am with Captain Bucher's account of the event in his semi-autobiographical Bucher:My Story , the AGER-2 website, the book Over the Line: North Korea’s Negotiating Strategy by Chuck Downs, The Last Voyage of Uss Pueblo,. by Ed Brandt and several other related unclassified references, and also to after-action reports that I do not believe will ever see the light of day. Though the events on board the Pueblo are horrifying enough, a glance at a calender should help you further understand just what forces were at play.

But if you care to get a better understanding of what is going on for WSJ reporter Pearl, those are your starting places as well, acrobatic and specious though they may be.

*Hey, look at the little red stars on their sailor caps....*

262 posted on 02/05/2002 7:48:01 AM PST by archy
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To: archy
4 responses--I'm flattered
263 posted on 02/05/2002 12:29:25 PM PST by VMI70
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To: VMI70
4 responses--I'm flattered

My browser crashed while I was trying to post, too.
Sometimes I suspect you're more trouble than you're worth.

Butbutbitbit ifififif itititit reallyreallyreallyreally flattersflattersflattersflatters youyouyouyou,,,, Iiii cancanscancan continuecontinuecontinuecontinue offeringofferingofferingoffering multiplemultiplemultiplemultiple submissionssubmissionssubmissionssubmissions.... archy raised to the 4th power.-/-

264 posted on 02/05/2002 1:07:30 PM PST by archy
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To: archy
LOL!
265 posted on 02/05/2002 3:00:04 PM PST by VMI70
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To: OneidaM
By comparing me to X42 and his syncophants, shows how little you know of me and/or the offended poster.

FR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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266 posted on 02/05/2002 8:31:40 PM PST by alcuin
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To: Admin Moderator
The problem I'm seeing is that biased people are using the abuse button to censor ideas & people. When a moderator takes with side A & deletes side B, there's no one left for side A to argue with & the thread dies. There's way too much post & thread deleting going on when it would be better for all to let the conversation take it's course.

I understand the idea of keeping the hard lefties off but, amongst conservatives, supression of ideas is not what a free republic is about.

...and Lincoln was a tyrant!

267 posted on 02/13/2002 5:38:04 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: Admin Moderator
BTTT
268 posted on 02/13/2002 7:14:37 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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