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OLYMPIC ATHLETES GETTING PREGNANT AND ABORTING TO BOOST PERFORMANCE
Report Magazine via EWTN ^ | 2-4-2002 | Celeste McGovern

Posted on 02/01/2002 1:48:00 PM PST by Notwithstanding

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To: Zack Nguyen
A pregnant woman is flushed with a huge amount of hormones (and an enormous quantity of blood to care for an extra body), that can facilitate physical recovery after a hard workout, and greatly increase cardiovascular fitness. I know a woman, a gold medalist in swimming as a teenager, who in the months following a pregnancy equaled and surpassed her gold-medal winning times.

Perhaps her performance was enhanced by the increased blood volume, but that was after a full-term pregnancy. You don't get that hugely increased blood volume after 2-3 months of pregnancy. You just spend those first two or three months yorking your guts out all day.

I can't believe this story for several reasons. First, pregnancy loosens the joints in order to make the pelvis more flexible to allow the passage of the baby's head. But the loosening effect means that joints are more prone to injury as well--not a good situation for the athlete.

Pregnancy also causes tender breasts early on, weight gain, fluid retention, and difficulty in concentrating. In fact the unpleasant side effects, which are unpredictable and usually uncontrollable, have such a negative effect on the woman that I can't believe a coach would ask his athletes to get pregnant. They'd be so busy barfing and bursting into tears that they'd be off their training for months. And abortions are not always easy, either. Many women have to take pain medication afterwards, and this would show up in their post-race bloodwork.

Finally, many women athletes have such a low percentage of body fat that they don't ovulate, and so can't get pregnant anyway.

So, Roger, I give this story a thumbs-down.

161 posted on 02/01/2002 7:09:15 PM PST by Capriole
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To: Cachelot
you may be finished with me, but it is still a phony article.
162 posted on 02/01/2002 7:15:21 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Notwithstanding
I don't get it. Whenever I was pregnant I was exhausted. Anyway, these women are subjecting themselves to developing breast cancer later in life. www.AbortionBreastCancer.com
163 posted on 02/01/2002 7:53:41 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Clarity
He is opining on the practices of olympic athletes in using aborted preganancies to aid their perfpormances. About which he has no demonstrated expertise. Testimony barred.
Counselor, you define the scope of the necessary expertise so broadly? Sure you don’t want to limit it down from Olympic athletes to female Olympic gymnasts, 14 years old, who have sex with their coaches and abort their pregnancies at 2-3 months in order to aid their performances?

Given that there is likely no one with a great deal of specific expertise in the narrow field you refer to, other then the guilty, who won’t likely testify, I think a Court would accept an expert from a broader field. Someone who can testify as to the physical effects pregnancy has on a body (such as a doctor), someone who can testify about the physical strains of athletic endeavors, and/or someone who can testify as to the steps athletes are willing to go through to win, including drugs, etc. This guy clearly qualifies for the second, and likely for the first. I note many articles on athletes, including Olympic athletes, and at least a couple on steroids and doping, so I’m betting he can qualify on the third as well. If I get the judge to bite on two of the three I’m in and can work around what the judge won’t allow.

I’d put good money on getting this guy past a Daubert attack. I’ve done better work, anyway. Not that I believe this is true, I don’t have enough evidence for that. I just think I could qualify this guy.

patent

164 posted on 02/01/2002 8:05:05 PM PST by patent
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To: codebreaker
Trainer groomed me for sex, says Olympic gymnast Olga Korbut
By Marcus Warren in Moscow

Electronic Telegraph
June 24, 1999

OLGA KORBUT, the former Soviet gymnast and darling of the 1972 Olympics, has claimed that she was groomed as a teenage concubine by her trainer.

Korbut, now in her forties, told a newspaper that her trainer, Renald Knysh, looked on his stars as "potential concubines" as well as champions. Her claims that are the latest in a string of allegations by former East European athletes about their coaches and exploitation by the Soviet system in general.

Nadia Comaneci, the Romanian gymnast who at 14 overshadowed Korbut in the 1976 Olympics, was reported to have had an affair with Nicu Ceausescu, son of the Romanian dictator, who ordered the extraction of one of her fingernails for refusing to comply with a debauched demand.

Korbut said that just before the Munich games, at which she won three golds and became famous as a pony-tailed 17-year-old prodigy, Knysh plied her with drink in her room. What happened next led to a relationship that lasted for several years, she claimed.

Korbut, now based in Atlanta, Georgia, told the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper that Mr Knysh brought on "not just potential gymnasts but future concubines for himself". She said: "The truth is that many of the gymnasts were not just 'sport machines' but sexual slaves to their trainer.

"My own training, in his opinion, was complete just before the Olympics of 1972. He came up to my room with a bottle of cognac and forced me to drink several glasses. What came next was a terrible memory that lasted several years."
165 posted on 02/01/2002 8:10:37 PM PST by TN Republican
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To: Notwithstanding
One Russian athlete told a reporter that as long ago as the '70s, gymnasts as young as 14 were ordered to sleep with their coaches to get pregnant--and then abort.

I thought the gymnists were kept so underweight (to give that elfin appearance) that it interferred with the menstrual cycle. If so, then how could they get pregnant. I still have my doubts about this report.

167 posted on 02/01/2002 9:58:04 PM PST by Ruth A.
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To: Stone Mountain
The effect is largely due to increased hormones, mostly growth hormone. It's typical for multiparous women to have increased foot and hand sizes, for example, as a result of the increased growth hormone associated with pregnancy.
168 posted on 02/02/2002 3:15:30 AM PST by Rudder
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To: Blood of Tyrants
And this is more difficult to believe than pulling a baby partially out of the womb and then stabbing it in the brain to kill it?

It certainly is. It certainly is.

169 posted on 02/02/2002 4:14:51 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: nobodyUknow
ive head the us cosmetics industy values dead baby tissue. Have you ever heard anything credible about this?

Good God, I can't believe you've said this. I hope you're being scastic. If not you have the IQ of a chimp.

170 posted on 02/02/2002 4:18:18 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: VA Advogado
I subscribe to this magazine. It is the only one we have in this country which is not under the censorship of the Liberals party. Many of the topics discussed are parallel to what is often posted on here. I doubt it would have lasted 25 years if it did not have some integrety. But I could be wrong. As has been stated previously, there are many of us up here who are proudly Canadian and have never voted for a liberal in our lives, love Jesus, own firearms, and have never taken a government handout. We are hanging on by a thread. Report is one of the only places our ideas are made public without being subjected to ridicule a la Carville.
171 posted on 02/02/2002 6:01:06 AM PST by Blackadar
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I hope this is an urban legend. When I was pregnant it certainly didn't boost my performance. I spent most of my time being sick and lying around.
172 posted on 02/02/2002 6:38:58 AM PST by thathamiltonwoman
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To: Notwithstanding
What a sick bunch of BITCHES!!!
174 posted on 02/02/2002 9:51:18 AM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: concerned about politics
Are you telling me the Chinese eat their babies? If so, they're a bunch of demon-possessed asses.

Nothing good comes out of China. The only common sense and morals coming out of that Country are from the few, but largely growing Christian population.

175 posted on 02/02/2002 9:54:45 AM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: Notwithstanding

The Hard, Dirty, Stinking, Terrifying Truth About Legalized Abortion

The context for mass murder in America.
  • One Day, not so long ago, one of our allies managed to infiltrate a Laboratory in Southern California that receives the babies killed by a particular chain of abortion "clinics". The pictures she took provide you an overview of what legalized abortion looks like up close and dirty.
  • Each of those plastic jars contains one little dead person.  The mother's name and the date of the abortion are written on the labels.
The names are written in God's database.
  • Look closely and you can make out the names of the mothers as well as some of the actual body parts of the children they sacrificed on the altar of the demon of self-indulgence.
Documenting Horror.
  • This one stack of receipts documents the babies slaughtered at Family Planning Association, 8888 Fletcher Parkway, La Mesa, California, in one day.
  • The laboratory we infiltrated receives babies' bodies from many such "clinics".
From smallest to largest, the carnage is the same.
  • The containers come in all sizes.  These are the largest, containing babies between 20 to 36 weeks old.
  • Notice the stains of evil covering the containers.
Gore.
  • It gets no easier to look at the actual caskets of hundreds of little people conceived by God and slaughtered in direct rebellion against God's will..
Gore and more Gore courtesy of Al Gore, etc.
  • Like Legalized Abortion itself, the stains of evil are horrible to behold.
Satan's table fare.
  • The least among the babies are bagged like groceries destined for satan's table.
This might have been you.
  • This gives you a glimpse at the contents of the smallest containers. This person was eights weeks from conception when butchered.
Mother's Milk polluted.
  • Look closely at the words printed on the box and you will see the horrible paradox created when babies are killed and babies are birthed in the same facilities.

Another Incriminating piece.

Under oath in July 1997, abortionist Carhart comments on how he commits abortions. Here he is questioned by his attorney:

Question: Are there times when you don’t remove the fetus intact?

Carhart: Yes, sir.

Question: Can you tell me about that, when that occurs?

Carhart: That occurs when the tissue fragments, or frequently when you rupture the membranes, an arm will spontaneously prolapse through the oz. I think most...statistically the most common presentation, we talk about the forehead or the skull being first. We talked about the feet being first, but I think in probably the great majority of terminations, it’s what they world call a transverse lie, so really you’re looking at a side profile of a curved fetus. When the patient...the uterus is already starting to contract and they are starting to miscarry, when you rupture the waters, usually something prolapses through the uterine, through the cervical os, not always, but very often an extremity will.

Question: What do you do then?

Carhart: My normal course would be to dismember that extremity and then go back and try to take the fetus out either foot or skull first, whatever end I can get to first.

Question: How do you go about dismembering that extremity?

Carhart: Just traction and rotation, grasping the portion that you can get a hold of which would be usually somewhere up the shaft of the exposed portion of the fetus, pulling down on it through the os, using the internal os as your counter-traction and rotating to dismember the shoulder or the hip or whatever it would be. Sometimes you will get one leg and you can’t get the other leg out.

Question: In that situation, are you, when you pull on the arm and remove it, is the fetus still alive?

Carhart: Yes.

Question: In that situation, are you, when you pull on the arm and remove it, is the fetus still alive?

Carhart: Yes

Question: Do you consider an arm, for example, to be a substantial portion of the fetus?

Carhart: In the way I read it, I think if I lost my arm, that would be a substantial loss to me. I think I would have to interpret it that way.

Question: And then what happens next after you remove the arm? You then try to remove the rest of the fetus?

Carhart: Then I would go back and attempt to either bring the feet down or bring the skull down, or even sometimes you bring the other arm down and remove that also and then get the feet down.

Question: At what point is the fetus...does the fetus die during that process?

Carhart: I don’t really know. I know that the fetus is alive during the process most of the time because I can see fetal heartbeat on the ultrasound.

The Court: Counsel, for what it’s worth, it still is unclear to me with regard to the intact D&E when fetal demise occurs.

Question: Okay, I will try to clarify that. In the procedure of an intact D&E where you would start foot first, with the situation where the fetus is presented feet first, tell me how you are able to get the feet out first.

Carhart: Under ultrasound, you can see the extremities. You know what is what. You know what the foot is, you know, what the arm is, you know, what the skull is. By grabbing the feet and pulling down on it or by grabbing a knee and pulling down on it, usually you can get one leg out, get the other leg out and bring the fetus out. I don’t know where this...all the controversy about rotating the fetus comes from. I don’t attempt to do that. I just attempt to bring out whatever is the proximal portion of the fetus.

Question: At the time that you bring out the feet in this example, is the fetus still alive?

Carhart: Yes.

Question: Then what’s the next step you do?

Carhart: I didn’t mention it. I should. I usually attempt to grasp the cord first and divide the cord, if I can do that.

Question: What is the cord?

Carhart: The cord is the structure that transports the blood, both arterial and venous, from the fetus to the back to the fetus, and it gives the fetus its only source of oxygen, so that if you can divide the cord, the fetus will eventually die, but whether this takes five minutes or fifteen minutes and when that occurs, I don’t think anyone really knows.

Question: Are there situations where you don’t divide the cord?

Carhart: There are situations when I can’t.

Question: What are those?

Carhart: I just can’t get to the cord. It’s either high above the fetus and structures where you can’t reach up that far. The instruments are only 11 inches long.

Question: Let’s take the situation where you haven’t divided the cord because you couldn’t, and you have begun to remove a living fetus feet first. What happens next after you have gotten the feet removed?

Carhart: We remove the feet and continue with traction on the feet until the abdomen and the thorax came through the cavity. At that point, I would try ... you have to bring the shoulders down, but you can get enough of them outside, you can do this with your finger outside of the uterus, and then at that point the fetal ... the base of the fetal skull is usually in the cervical canal.

Question: What do you do next?

Carhart: And you can reach that, and that’s where you would rupture the fetal skull to some extent and aspirate the contents out.

Question: At what point in that process does fetal demise occur between initial remove...removal of the feet or legs and the crushing of the skull, or I’m sorry, the decompressing of the skull?

Carhart: Well, you know, again, this is where I’m not sure what fetal demise is. I mean, I honestly have to share your concern, your Honor. You can remove the cranial contents and the fetus will still have a heartbeat for several seconds or several minutes, so is the fetus alive? I would have to say probably, although I don’t think it has any brain function, so it’s brain dead at that point.

Question: So the brain death might occur when you begin suctioning out of the cranium?

Carhart: I think brain death would occur because the suctioning to remove contents is only two or three seconds, so somewhere in that period of time, obviously not when you penetrate the skull, because people get shot in the head and the don’t die immediately from that, if they are going to die at all, so that probably is not sufficient to kill the fetus, but I think removing the brain contents eventually will.

Later under cross examination from the AG’S counsel, Carhart stated:

"My intent in every abortion I have ever done is to kill the fetus and terminate the pregnancy."


Go for the Gold

176 posted on 02/02/2002 9:56:54 AM PST by Khepera
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To: Maedhros
That is a pretty reasonable review of Alberta Report, but I don't think DEBKA has annoying telemarketers who call every other day and try to strike up a conversation just to sell you their stupid magazine.

For people apprently rabidly anti-homosexual these guys are sure obcessed with gay sex.

178 posted on 02/02/2002 11:00:34 AM PST by ContentiousObjector
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To: Khepera
May the Lord remember your valiant attempts at shining the light upon the darkness! Your post is a strong indictment of evil that many many people need to see again and again. Habitual vice makes people numb to the truth.
179 posted on 02/02/2002 11:18:39 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding
bump from CT
180 posted on 02/02/2002 11:48:16 AM PST by George from New England
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