Saudi Arabians Firmly Back Arafat-(And these are US Allies?)

INN ^ | January 28, 2002 | NY Times

[Noumenon]

Time to let the Iraqis have their way with the degenerate Saudis. Then we'll back the Jordanians as they smash the Iraqis back to hell and gone as they reassert Hashemite rule of Mecca and Medina. It's a two-fer. The resulting state of affairs, managed properly by the US, Israel and Jordan would put Egypt and Syria in a somewhat difficult place.

[SKempis]

Is there a great distinction between sending missiles from your place or blowing yourself up at the site, other than sheer desperation, as the Palestinians have no other means to even the score against tanks, missiles etc.?

The fact that you even make such a statement is sadly telling. It also explains why you are able to side with the Palis.

The answer is very simple for people with a healthy sense of right and wrong; It depends on whom you target to kill. Targeting pizza patrons, teens dancing with friends, and little girls' Bat Mitzvas is uncivilized. And anyone who would attempt to justify it, or draw a moral symmetry between that standard of behavior and that of the Israelis is also missing a fundamental clue in the justice department.

IOW, Your credibility is shot. Bye Bye.

[Don Joe]

"Then we'll back the Jordanians as they smash the Iraqis back to hell and gone as they reassert Hashemite rule of Mecca and Medina."

Call me an optimist (and you'd probably be the first if you did, heheheheh), but I'm of the opinion that if Jordan was running the show, Islam really would turn into a "religion of peace".

[boltfromblue]

Your basic assumptions of integrity and justice in the USA are fallacious, as our flawed policy in the Mid-East is devoid of such, so I do not follow your meaning. Sure, we have the constitutional foundations to have a good legal system, but the attorneys we all know and hate corrupt it, whether they work for Enron, etc. or you. If you read my post #162 on thread 1-28-02 Israel News, you would get the sense I do that Palis restrain themselves, when they have fleeting hopes of garnering a peace accord. Having not read any Pali propaganda, or if I read US commentary YOU would deem Pali-prop, it is only credible to me against factual news reports I have read over the years here. I just use the sense God gave me to assess the truth of the matter as we all really know it in our hearts and minds, from the creation of Israel forward. Sure, war is bloody and ghastly no matter how fought, but decent treatment of the Palestinians by those in power creating Israel would've prevented all this. Perhaps the USA is removing themselves from the scene militarily because they are in agreement with the UN assessment and acknowledgement of their mistake in taking this Arab land to create an artificial state of Israel. Why cannot we acknowledge our mistakes, because Israel in a flash would send their valuable technology WE gave them to China, just as their upstanding intelligence arm gave our secrets to Russia and spies on us even as local JAL's plot to bomb mosques in the USA. Who is the ruthless party?

[boltfromblue]

Silly blindness at work here. Do you recall that it was teen-aged boys, protesting Sharon's visit to the dirt under the mosque, that were fired on in cold blood by Israeli soldiers, because some of them threw rocks, in the unrestrained fury of youth? that it was Mad Madeline (who BTW rejected accord in favor of fighting in Yugo) who complained that the Palestinians fought back with rocks against Israeli arms? That the ratio of Palestinian civilians killed to Israelis was in the ratio of 7 to 1, last I checked before these recent attacks, the result of Israel's forays into 3 Mid-East countries when Arafat got them to stop fighting back last month? You are only kidding yourself. It may be bye-bye to you, but not for me until I see some real justice in this world.

[SKempis]

You use many words to continue your spin while detracting from the point. Answer the question. See if you can do it concisely, as your meandering style is tedious.

[SKempis]

"Silly blindness at work here. Do you recall that it was teen-aged boys, protesting Sharon's visit to the dirt under the mosque, that were fired on in cold blood by Israeli soldiers, because some of them threw rocks, in the unrestrained fury of youth?"

I am very well aware of the entire situation, and know that the cries of pali victimhood is ludicrous. See the many other threads in which this has been debated ad nauseum.

Still, even if the Israelis had over-reacted by firing at rock-throwers, the fact is, anyone with a healthy belief system would not equate that to the methods used by the Palestinians, who target little girls Bat Mitzvas, dancing teens and their other favorite victims.

"that it was Mad Madeline (who BTW rejected accord in favor of fighting in Yugo) who complained that the Palestinians fought back with rocks against Israeli arms? That the ratio of Palestinian civilians killed to Israelis was in the ratio of 7 to 1, last I checked before these recent attacks, the result of Israel's forays into 3 Mid-East countries when Arafat got them to stop fighting back last month?"

Another fallacious argument. Ratio of casualties is no determiner of righteousness. Think about it.

"You are only kidding yourself. It may be bye-bye to you, but not for me until I see some real justice in this world."

Oh well, I feared you might be hopelessly lost, still I tried.

Have a good day.

[colorado tanker]

"Prospects for peace?" "Peace process?" What planet do these arabs and their eurosocialist buddies live on?

Ten years of "peace process" have brought nothing but war. Time to admit the "process" is done and try something else.

[Neophyte]

You see, the USA protects land sovereignty where oil is under it and other stupid arrangements Brit types make.

Hey, haven't I dismissed you?! And you dare to return with this sort of incoherent bullshit?

Get lost! But do not go again to the thread 1-28-02 Israel News. Your contribution to it (including your post #162 you're so proud of) had already earned you a thorough scolding, to have more of the same is boring for your opponents and will make your self esteem definitively to dwindle.

[mmmmmmmm....... donuts]

Is there a great distinction between sending missiles from your place or blowing yourself up at the site, other than sheer desperation, as the Palestinians have no other means to even the score against tanks, missiles etc.?

It's not the METHOD of bomb delivery I object to so much. It's the targets. Israel picks Palestinian Authority buildings to bomb. Palestinians pick Israeli pizza parlors.

[boltfromblue]

Hi, there, if you post to me I am courteous enough to reply. You remind me of the Socialist /Jewish "instructer' teaching Poli-Sci near me, who attempted only, mind you, to abridge my right to free speech when she called on me, but didn't like my well-informed answer. What nerve you have to think you dismiss me, posting to me or no, the arrogance of people dubbing themselves 'chosen, and evidently from this superior position dismissing others as if sitting on the throne of Louis V. That goes for the inspiration you have given me to go to the post ,1-28-02 that you mention, not necessarily to post to you. What about the 1st Amendment do you not understand? You truly are a neophyte as an American citizen.

[Neophyte]

What nerve you have to think you dismiss me...blah-blah-blah-blah.

I dismiss you as a complete fool and uncurable microcephalus fixed on Jews. Your underdeveloped brain isn't capable of remembering even your own posts, leave alone of giving "well informed" answers or opinions.

Just look at this:

Your post #20: Did New Zealanders come from the same source as Australians?

Your post #51: You truly are a neophyte as an American citizen.

So, who am I in your well informed opinion, a New Zealander or an US citizen?

Don't bother to answer, you'll again put your foot into your mouth (and your diminutive empty head up your arse).