Papers in Pedophile Case Show Church Effort to Avert Scandal

The New York Times | January 25, 2002

[onyx]

I have a fish that sings "BRAAD to the bone"! Looks like a cross between Maxine Waters and Hillary. Go figure.

[riley1992]

There are a group of posters on this forum whose every post has something negative and denegrating to say about my Church. I'm sure they'll slink along soon, and tell you how the pope is actually the anti-christ and that my church is actually the "whore of Babylon."

Full of sweetness and light, aren't they?

[EODGUY]

"I have a fish that sings "BRAAD to the bone"! Looks like a cross between Maxine Waters and Hillary."

I thought you promised you were going to stay off the hard liquor.......was the fish pink?

:)

[onyx]

Pink? Not my Maxine!

[oldironsides]

You must begin to realize that many ordinary people will never understand why the Catholic people put up with a man like Cardinal Law skirting rules and endangering children. There is no excuse at all why Cardinal Law covered over and used this priest in another parish. He should resign ASAP. I was educated in Catholic schools in Massahusetts. I am sickened by this assault on the family. It is time for good men and women to step up and say enough. They should tell Rome that anyone hiding and covering for child mosestors should resign. Every single one of them. Gone.

[EODGUY]

But beneath those green scales, does she possess that inner beauty, compassion and tolerance that the original Maxine exhibits, especially to conservatives?

[marajade]

What is the Catholic Church's position in relation to First Timothy chapter 4 verses 1-5?

[BansheeBill]

I don't know if you read THIS story in today's Boston Herald about another Boston related story.

These type of stories will just "not end" in Boston. New stories seem to come up every few months. It seems like the people of Boston cannot get a break of more than a couple of months before some story of past abuse surfaces. This type of thing has been regularly making the news in Boston for the last 2 decades. These are not stories the Boston Globe is "making up". I grew up around here, have a friend who lived 3 houses away from Father Geoghan, and although I don't have any friends who were actually "molested" by priests, I have more than a few who were approached, or suggestively touched on one occasion by priests when they were young, but all of them knew enough to tell the priest to get away from them.

[JMJ333]

They're charming indeed. =)

[JMJ333]

You must begin to realize that many ordinary people will never understand why the Catholic people put up with a man like Cardinal Law skirting rules and endangering children. There is no excuse at all why Cardinal Law covered over and used this priest in another parish. He should resign ASAP. I was educated in Catholic schools in Massahusetts. I am sickened by this assault on the family. It is time for good men and women to step up and say enough. They should tell Rome that anyone hiding and covering for child mosestors should resign. Every single one of them. Gone.

Imagine how practicing faithful Catholics feel! We need reform desperately. This isn't the first time in history that this has occured as man is falliable. I maintain that it still doesn't negate the doctrine founded by Christ.

Many U.S. bishops mirror cultural pagans, like Cardinal Law and the bishop whose diocese includes Ogdensburg New York. You can tell they aren't following tru Catholic doctrine because of their abominable failure to rid this country of abortion.

Certain bishops want to win this on the cheap. They want to be liked bt the left. They need to go back and read the prophets of the Old Testament and note the consistency with which they were persecuted and even martyred. Jesus said, 'If they persecute me, they will persecute you.' Well, they're not persecuting the bishops because the bishops have been very careful to avoid any behavior that invites persecution.

Yes...we need reform. Here is how you can help---pray for us. The Catholic church is far from being the only imperfect entity in Judeo-Christianity. Also--I can't and won't quit pointing out the agenda of certain posters at this forum.

[marajade]

"Also--I can't and won't quit pointing out the agenda of certain posters at this forum."

I've had run ins with those posters myself so I completely understand... But there is some merit to Faith_j's argument in relation to how the Catholic Church protects its own rather than dealing with the issue of criminality among the priesthood. There is evidence to support the theory that victims become abusers themselves and that to me is very scary indeed.

[JMJ333]

4:1 Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from what we believe; they will follow lying spirits and teachings that come from demons.

Are you suggesting I follow the teachings of demons? Can you point out which part of our doctrine which you believe is demonic?

4:2 These teachers are hypocrites and liars. They pretend to be religious, but their consciences are dead.

Yep, we do have some of these in our church. Good faithful Catholics are doing everything we can to bring about reform. You could help your fellow catholic freepers out by praying for us.

4:3 They will say it is wrong to be married and wrong to eat certain foods. But God created those foods to be eaten with thanksgiving by people who know and believe the truth.

Last time I looked, the Catholic church is still the only church in Christianity where divorce isn't acceptable. What food has the Catholic church told everyone we can't eat? How does this relate to the argument?

4:4 Since everything God created is good, we should not reject any of it. We may receive it gladly, with thankful hearts.

Still don't see any connection to the thread topic.

4:5 For we know it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.

I have no problem with the verse, but don't see the applicability.

[marajade]

"Here is how you can help---pray for us."

How about just following the scripture I pointed out in post #27 instead?

[marajade]

First Timothy Chapter Four is about the qualifications for leaders of the Church. It does indeed apply to this thread.

[JMJ333]

I see. No prayers for us. I have nothing further to say to you.

[JMJ333]

No prayers for you! Bad Catholics!

[marajade]

Praying for someone is nice and all but wouldn't following the teachings of the Bible be better?

[marajade]

And then the Catholic Church denies another principle teaching of the Bible when it prayers to Mary instead of to God through Jesus Christ. And the Catholic Church wonders why their prayers aren't being heard? Do you want a scripture to back that up too?

[JMJ333]

The scripture quoted deals with the Holy Spirit, both in the Old and the New Testament--and speaks of a general turning from the faith of Christ, and the pure worship of God. This should come during the Christian dispensation, for those are called the latter days. False teachers forbid as evil what God has allowed, and command as a duty what he has left indifferent.

We find exercise for watchfulness and self-denial, in attending to the requirements of God's law, without being tasked to imaginary duties, which reject what he has allowed. But nothing justifies an intemperate or improper use of things; and nothing will be good to us, unless we seek by prayer for the Lord's blessing upon it.

[st.smith]

First Timothy Chapter Four is about the qualifications for leaders of the Church. It does indeed apply to this thread.

One can be a 'minister of Christ Jesus' (v. 6) without being part of the ministerial priesthood. No one is forced to enter the priesthood- it is an utterly free decision undertaken by those who feeled called. If one doesn't they can minister as a deacon or in a lay capacity. To characterize this as 'forbid[ing] marriage,' is disingenuous at best- deceitful at worst.