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MONEY AND DEPRESSION THE COMING CHANGE
http://www.etherzone.com/2002/kali011002.shtml ^ | Published in the January 10, 2002 issue of Ether Zone. | William Kaliher

Posted on 01/07/2002 3:44:47 AM PST by Angelique

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To: arthurus
There is nothing so arcane about money that requires the manipulation of its supply by a central bank. It is merely a medium of exchange by which the butcher may purchase bread from a baker who may have no need for meat. The belief that it is otherwise is a dangerous delusion--and is one of the reasons you're in hock for over $5T in debt with dollars that are worth less every year.
21 posted on 01/07/2002 6:20:15 AM PST by SteamshipTime
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To: Angelique
The men at the wheel are delusions. No one person you can point your finger at is in control of the wheel. We are all together tugging and pulling at it. It was not Hitler alone, it was Hitler with millions of germans supporting him. It was not Stalin alone it was the mass of russians who faced death or slavery at the hands of the germans. The germans however felt that one day they might be killed or enslaved by the russian communists.

No one is at the wheel, it is the man who was thursday. Yet the herds of men are sent great delusions...

22 posted on 01/07/2002 6:50:25 AM PST by Goblins
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To: robnoel
This is the way the world ends,
This is the way the world ends,
Not with a bang but with a whimper...
23 posted on 01/07/2002 6:52:40 AM PST by Goblins
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To: Angelique
Money is nothing, it is many things and it is important.

This has the same flavor as a definition I saw once, but can't remember the origin. It might have been von Mises. I don't remember if this is word for word but it's something like:

Money is the nothing you get for the something you give before you can get anything.

24 posted on 01/07/2002 7:17:40 AM PST by Deuce
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To: Goblins
Joseph Sobran (and I) agree. He calls the collective liberal mindset "the Hive." It's not a conspiracy; just the sum of the actions of people acting in their own self-interest. Some are conscious of it, most are not.
25 posted on 01/07/2002 7:24:51 AM PST by SteamshipTime
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To: Angelique
I'm too 'fraid ta look... is it depressin? Don'tcha be depressin the Waspman! I see the wurd "depression" in big crapital letters... an I don't like it.

Wasps git depressed when it gits cold, don'tcha know? All we can think about is flyin south of the border, cept there ain't no border anymore!!!

As you look at the US on the map... it's bottomless!!! How embareassing!!!

26 posted on 01/07/2002 9:20:07 PM PST by SierraWasp
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To: robnoel
An excellent song. Bob Dylan wrote a song about the same caballic connivers - "Masters of War." Even ol' Smedley Butler, salty as he was, eventually found out about them and wrote "War Is A Racket."
27 posted on 01/07/2002 9:40:54 PM PST by 185JHP
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To: SierraWasp
I'm too 'fraid ta look... is it depressin? Don'tcha be depressin the Waspman! I see the wurd "depression" in big crapital letters... an I don't like it.

Oh non Monsieur Waspman! The Tipster's not gunna put ya on doze depressin pills, fer shure! Git yur stinger out so we don't half dat udder kinda depresshun....

28 posted on 01/08/2002 3:40:29 AM PST by Angelique
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To: Deuce
The quote sounds like something from von Mises, but I don't know. Both quotes made me take a second glance.

I like this one by Thomas Sowell: "Prices are important not because money is considered paramount but because prices are a fast and effective conveyor of information through a vast society in which fragmented knowledge must be coordinated." -

29 posted on 01/08/2002 3:51:29 PM PST by Angelique
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To: 185JHP; robnoel
Bob Dylan wrote a song about the same caballic connivers - "Masters of War."

You and robnoel are hilarious.

Both of you quote drugged out LEFTIST singers to buttress your conspiracy theories!

What's next? P.Diddy rappin' about "DA MAN"?

30 posted on 01/08/2002 4:02:00 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Considering that and speaking for myself I used to be a drugged out LEFTIST :-).....it should come therefore as no surprise I still like music...the message is the same just fighting sides have changed!
31 posted on 01/08/2002 6:20:33 PM PST by robnoel
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To: Angelique
(This is the letter I emailed to the author of this article:)

Very good work. OK, I agree with it. I can't help but feel a bit angry with anyone who disagrees. More than likely this is because they have a vested interest in the scam.

Just for the record, here are a few posts of mine: Article 1 Article 2 Article 3 (my article follows the initial, short news summary at the start of the thread) Article 4 . Admittedly, I have lots to learn, but thanks to some pretty smart folks that always oppose me this is forcing me to improve my debate. Nothing has changed my mind, I just simply get better at making my case and debunking the other side. The difficult part in this is most of the thinking behind the existence and actions of 'manipulators' cannot be 'proven' by the smoking gun standard. This is why they can do anything they want. We see the effect, but we are too stupid, and/or too uninformed as to the cause to make reasonable provisions to change the game. Changing the game, imo, means a formal reassertion of the original constitution, and nullification of every court decision still standing and having any effect. I also include in this eliminating all amendments past the 10th.

From there, the Congress needs to go through the slow process of re-amending the constitution with the amendments lost, leaving the possibility that some might not make the cut the second time around. The congress could also pass new amendments to cover disposed of ajudicated law, if desirable. Of course, I would want the type of congress in there, as well as state governors, as well as an administration that are on the same page as the founding fathers.

The effect of this is the same as re-installing the operating system on my computer. Periodically, because I use it often, my computer will get completely bugged out, it slows down, crashes too often, etc. many system files get corrupted, and I am sure other people from the internet have nosed into my computer while I was on-line and did some weird thing to it. So after a while, I get tired of working with the thing, and I find that some programs just do not work the way they used to. The best solution is to simply re-format the drive (erase everything) re-install the original system, and carefully, methodically, slowly add the choice programs that I know i definitely need and want. It is amazing how well that works. I just did that, and my slow screwed up computer works incredibly now. No crashes, files work, starting up takew a few seconds, and getting web pages at 56K is twice as fast as it was before. I know the computer is squeaky clean, the registry file only has in it exactly what it needs, and there are no other funky programs screwing things up.

This is exactly what our country needs, in my view. We need to get a fresh start. Go back to the foundation. Add back the critical amendments, and get rid of the junk. The amazing thing is I must have erased 1 gigabite of files, programs, documents, etc that I do not miss at all. And I bet there were a lot of those files that had no business being on my computer, that, in fact, I did not even know they were there! These same files were the very files that were likely causing all the trouble, but I not being much of a computer expert, have no idea where they are, what they are, when, why, or how they got there.

If you ever take the time to open up your Windows and System folder (just for starters) you'll see thousands of files. Truly the Lord only knows what they all do. After adding programs, visiting web sites, and doing all sorts of miscellaneous work on the computer over time, these two folders (just to name two, I am not even going to get into the registry file) mushroom to gargantuan size. And the thing is if you try to get rid of one, even if it is one you do not want, you find it inter-connected to all these others that you don't want, but you can't figure out where they are, and you find that your computer becomes even more screwed up! That is when I just say "Screw this! I am trashing everything, and re-installing the system"

And you know what? It works! The files and folders I mentioned are 1/10 the size. Hundreds and hundreds of files are missing than what was there before, but my computer works 100 times better and faster, and I have not yet missed a single one of them.

I think you can see the obvious parallel. The govt is loaded up with so much crap, and crappy law, that our entire infrastructure of self-governing liberty has been completely screwed up. There are 'corrupted-files' of certain law, with their advocates and beneficiaires, digging into our 'registry' file and causing these annoying, periodic 'crashes', which can translate into any number of screwy things that come down that result from malevolent mishandling by people empowered by some arcane stupid freedom encroaching law, a law that was cooked up to screw a certain sector of the population for the benefit of another sector. We both know that the law is loaded up to the sky with that kind of junk, and i can tell you right now, except for the creeps who benefit from the corruption, most of us would not even know the law had come and gone. We would not miss it at all.

A 'system' re-installation, my re-assertion of the US Constitution, including the Bill of Rights, would have the delicious effect of abolishing the central banking system, and fiat money. If there were anything that we, as Americans should do, is to abolish the fat money system, and go back to a bi-metallic money standard -- silver and gold. Yes, history has shown us that even when we do have that standard, the creeps find a way to slither in there and manipulate and jerk. But my response to that is we ought to legislate in such a way as to take advantage of that history, and create legal barbed wire to keep those x ers paws of the system. An honest money supply, based on something God created, makes it much more difficult for sleazy SOBs in govt to jerk and screw for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many.

I truly believe there should be a crusade in this country to educate Americans on exactly what money is all about. Honest money, and an honest money supply, means a limited, comparitively more honest govt, and comparitively much greater liberty for the citizens, and a comparitively much more peaceful world, as the govt would lose its ability to engage in nefarious imperialistic plots that can be quickly, and oh so easily financed by fiat money.

An attack against fiat money, central banking, and the return of gold and silver for money is a direct attack on the Beast, a sharp knife to the jugular. Yes, the beast will never die, but it can be cut down to size, so that it can be managed by a free people, instead of it managing us.

People say that if we slay the Beast (get rid of fiat money) there will be financial havoc. Yes, they are right. No heroin addict getting off of junk finds it an easy task. But once the poison is out of the bloodstream, life becomes oh, so much sweeter. The lie is that in the long run, returning to gold/silver as money will ruin us. That is a total, utter, and complete lie. In fact, it is clearly the other way around. The fiat cartel of global aristocrats have done more for the cause of misery than anyone, or anything else in world history. Life is hard enough and fraught with its own organic perils. We do not have to get into the business of shooting ourselves in the foot by encumbering ourselves with the dictates of the fiat aristocracy.

The time has long since past for these pieces of trash to go. If there is a God, and this God is merciful, in His time, hopefully sooner, rather than later, He will find away to expose these people, and help our ailing nation to become freed of their grip. Getting back to an honest money supply does not guarantee success for anyone. It doesn't mean that life will be perfect. However, it does mean that once you have succeeded at something, you get to keep the value of your success, and it cannot be stolen from you by fiat manipulation. It also means that the govt cannot recklessly pursue a policy of taxation w/o representation to expand indefinitely at will. The recent expansion has resulted in an illegal war against the country of Afghanistan. That means, Mr. and Mrs. America, your son or daughter's life is put at risk for reasons that may have nothing to do with the legitimate defense of the country.

Govt expansion is, in short, expensive and deadly. It may come to pass that, yes, the need truly is pressing, and the cause is just, and we, as a people, decide to participate in funding a venture for the best interest of the USA. But we ought to consider the truth that an expansion of govt to facilitate the 'cause' will cost us dearly, so we better be sure the cause is just, and worth the sacrifice.

I think most people just don't get this stuff. The ruling elite prey on the ignorance of the masses. In fact, one thing that to me really tells the whole story, is that while lurking at the freerepublic.com, I noticed a thread about the perpetual virginity of Mary. OK, so maybe Mary was a perpetual virgin. Like, really, does that matter? Man, some people ... Here's the point. Most of these threads might get 50 - 300 posts, the thread dies, and we are on the the next thing. But not on the debate of the perpetual virginity of Mary. Ohhhhh noooooo. Over 1000 posts in two days! I have posted some fairly respectable posts concering the fiat fraud, and one thread garnered 300 posts, despite the fact of some typos, and still in process thinking on my part. I have the right idea, but I still have many blanks to fill in. But sheesh, 1000 posts!

That tells me that people just don't get it, and they really do not care to get it. The ruling class takes advangage of these people, whose religion tells them to divorce themselves from the nuts and bolts of life. Their reward might be great in heaven, and I am not trash talking heavenly rewards, but, hey, even by God's standard, He determined that the lifespan of a man is to be 120 years. Sure, most of us get to 80 if we are lucky (or unlucky, depending on what kind of life you are having), but my point here is that we do live just long enough for these earthly things to matter. While we live in real time, you know what? 80 years is a long time. That is a long time to feel pain, sadness, oppression, disease, etc.

I believe the Lord is very definitely into nuts and bolts for this exact same reason. Even Jesus said, "Whatever you have done unto the least of these you have done unto me" when talking about visiting people in prison, feeding the hungry, clothing the poor, etc. My thinking is that there are systemic causes that can lead people unnecessarily into poverty, hunger, prison, and oppression. If I work to do something that will erase systemic causes of dis-ease, this then gives people the opportunity to live freer, healthier, and happier. What people do with that freedom is up to them. But we ought to have a social construction of liberty that removes unnecessary obstacles to our pursuit of happiness.

This is why the original idea the framers had was so revolutionary, and so successful for the ordinary man or woman. OK, ordinary is a bad word. I think what I am saying is someone who was not by the chance of birth born into great wealth, or a family of great power. It is tragic, imo, that this unprecedented success story for the un-rich born, which is the success story of the USA, which is intimately connected to its constitution, form, and system of government, which at root carries a delightful disdain for aristocracy, has been corrupted, and effectively ruined by the modern global aristocracy. What is worse, is this aristocracy put a pen in our legislators hand, and forced into law the Federal Reserve Act, and act that came into existence because of the deceptive practices and subtrefuge of greedy, power hungry, and ambitious-for-all-the-wrong-reasons men.

Getting back to my computer, yes, it is all cleaned up, and works great. But it is only a tool. I still have to use it properly to bring value to my life. The computer cannot do that for me. But with God's help, and a few good ideas, and a subdued beast cut down to size that is out of my reach, and I out of it's, I can, will, and do.

In a way, none of this would matter so much if I did not have four kids. But having children makes me feel responsible for their future. I do not want them living in a world corrupted by a bunch of snakes who have an illegitimate claim to power, and worse, power funded by the very earnings my children will be making when it is their turn to pursue their life, liberty, and happiness.

It is not the destiny of a free man to finance the schemes of evil men, schemes which bring a curse. It is the destiny of a free man to procure a blessing, and bless others according as the free man sees fit, and not as someone sees fit for him.

Kindest Regards

32 posted on 01/24/2002 4:07:49 PM PST by spoosman
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