[PleaseReadBeforeJudging] Why Only Catholicism Can Make Protestantism Work: Bouyer on Reformation

Catholic Dossier/ CERC ^ | MARK BRUMLEY

[rwfromkansas]

I have pledged to not attack the Catholics on here anymore, but I will respond to this. It is NOT true. The differences between Baptists in the 1600's and now is night and day. For example, many were Calvinists...not anymore. The Baptists have been taken over by a man-centered business Christianity.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

proud2brc killed millions? Should someone call the authorities?

That won't be necessary...I'm a Kopp ;-)

--Dr. Brian Kopp

[RaceBannon]

Here is a link to my point about the religious cleansing of Ireland before Cromwell

[constitutiongirl]

Thanks for your response.

[Notwithstanding]

Catholics are Jews.

[Zorobabel]

Did you ever wonder why not one of Christ's disciples ever described what He looked like in any of their writings? The ten commandments were written in stone with the finger of God. If we can throw out "no graven images", why not "thou shalt not kill?" Man made images of God, diminish the glory of God by likening Him to corruptible things.

[rwfromkansas]

This is one of the fundamental Baptist doctrines at that site: "Its laws and doctrines: The New Testament and that only."

Do the Baptists not read Jesus when he says "I have not come to abolish the law (i.e. the OT)" and "not one jot and tittle" will pass away????

[kstewskis]

so I quoted further from the 3 sources I previously mentioned to make my point clearer: That the RC church believes that Baptism provides or is necessary for salvation, and that is against Scripture

Hi Race. According to the teachings at my parish (I'm involved in the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults), this isn't necessarily true. One does not have to be baptized, in order to be "saved". That is what our church is teaching. Jesus paid our (meaning mankind) debt. In full. It's up to us to accept it.

Take care and God Bless,

[Cleburne]

Oh yes, Irish-Catholic support for the Confederacy was strong, and tolerance for Irish men and Catholics was very high in the "Old South"-the war governors of several "Deep South" states were strongly pro-Irish and anti-Know-Nothing, and there was little anti-Irish sentiment in the South, nor was there Catholic bashing (as was the case-carried to extremes-in the North). The Catholic Church, along with Southern Protestants, supported slavery as long as is was very humane (though I shan't go into that!), no doubt drawing added ire from the Northern Know-Nothings/Abolitionists. As a result, many Irishmen in Ieland supported the South, with nationlist newspapers publishing many pro-South editorials, and many Irish patriots expressed their support of the South, some fighting for it in the case of the Mitchells. Even Meagher, the leader of the Northern Irish Brigade (duly slaughtered it was), had been pro-South until a few months into the war. One poor Confederate-Irish company had to change its name, which had Meagher in it, upon hearing of his reversal of loyalties. There were many Irishmen in the rebel army, with around 20 percent of the gray ranks being emmigrant Irish. If you'ld like to know more, please Freepmail me. And check out Paddy Cleburne, the most famous Irish-Confederate of all, though he was Protestant (though his parents were renowed for Catholic friendship).

[Longshanks]

Those rituals found in Catholicism and not in the Bible are man-made, pagan rites.

When and by whom were these alledgedly pagan rituals introduced? How do Catholic rituals conflict with the rituals described by Sts. Paul and James and in Acts?

[RaceBannon]

Many, yes, in order to fully defend my statement of Baptist history, I would have to write a 300 page tome!! (sadly)

However, the point remains, the Baptist faith is the closest to the original faith given by the Apostles and Christ, it has been followed for centuries. As for being Calvinists, that was a newer thing, not all held to that. Here is a good link to read up on that.

That link shows how the Baptists are NOT PROTESTANTS!! Baptists never had to switch!

[Brian Kopp DPM]

aren't you already sure of your eternal destiny

"Once saved always saved" is not scriptural:

Matt.7

[21] "Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

[22] On that day many will say to me, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'

Matt.25

[11] Afterward the other maidens came also, saying, `Lord, lord, open to us.'

Luke.6

[46] "Why do you call me `Lord, Lord,' and not do what I tell you?

1 Corinthians 9:27 but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

1 Corinthians 10:12 Therefore let any one who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.

Galatians 5:1,4 . . . stand fast therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery . . . You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

Philippians 3:11-14 that if possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect; but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. Brethren, I do not consider that I have made it my own . . . I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.

1 Timothy 5:15 For some have already strayed after Satan.

Hebrews 3:12-14 Take care, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day . . . that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we share in Christ, if only we hold our first confidence firm to the end.

Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God, and the powers of the age to come, if they then commit apostasy . . .

2 Peter 2:15,20-21 Forsaking the right way they have gone astray; they have followed the way of Balaam, . . . For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overpowered, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.

[rwfromkansas]

What do you think of the Primitive Baptists? They are a fascinating group.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

A Catholic thread is a good chance to get the gospel to some!!!

Finally, VLH speaks Truth.

[RaceBannon]

Better check whether your church believes the catechism then!! I quoted it, I did not make it up, what I did was quote from the official RC doctrine. If your church disagrees with that...YOU MUST BE A PROTESTANT!!! :-)

[Cleburne]

Well, we Baptists were largley free, far as I can tell, from mass persecuting:) Might have been because our numbers were so low in Europe... At any rate, it seems Catholics and Protestants have gotten over killing each other for a while. I won't if you won't!

[Longshanks]

Quoted from you link:

Irish, who formerly led an unsettled and roving life, in the woods, bogs, and mountains, and lived on the depredation of their neighbors... have, for many years past, become quiet and civilized. They taste the sweets of English society, and the advantages of civil government.

Ahh... the British with their penal laws have been such benovent masters. :-)

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Gosh. All the heavy hitters are here now, except for BibChr

Where's unibeliever???

[constitutiongirl]

Fascinating!! I'll get in touch later. It's the wee hours of the morning here and I probably should go to bed.

[kstewskis]

Better check whether your church believes the catechism then!! I quoted it, I did not make it up, what I did was quote from the official RC doctrine. If your church disagrees with that...YOU MUST BE A PROTESTANT!!! :-)

LOL! I'll let Sr. Bridget know about it, then, LOL! ;-)