Benny Hinn: Iran's Government soon to fall

"This is your day" from Benny Hinn Ministries ^

[Rockyrich]

Thanks for your 2 cents; it was worth 3.

[Quix]

Have long been skeptical of Benny H. Primarily because of his pride and some of his outlandish statements. We shall see if God backs this one up.

However, GOD uses some awfully strange and awfully flawed characters--such as one in my mirror. . . . and several in The Bible.

Benny has evidently repented for some of his errors. I can leave judging him to God.

[Pelham]

Beni Hinna-san, cooks shrimp at your table while seeing visions. Could be hazardous.

[Rockyrich]

How can we have the promise of health when we know we are to suffer for His name's sake? Physical persecution isn't physically healthy. :) In this life we are only promised peace and spiritual security.

I agree with you. There are no promises, just what's available if we go after it. I didn't know we were promised peace and spiritual security.

[Pelham]

I don't see any indication in His letters to us that He intends to stop working that way.

Then read closer. Some things were granted only to the apostles, and ended with them.

[isom35]

was benny smacking the little bald-headed old man on the back of the head? I love that bit!

[Giddyupgo]

God never promised us riches, health or the good life on earth, He only promises to be with us through it all. That's why Paul wrote, I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

I was going to say the same....very well said GWfan.

[2sheep]

>>>You mentioned a guy named Scott Hofstee, who said that selling ministries implied a false teacher? That's a little off the wall (if I'm understanding you right.)  It simply does not fit the definition of a false teacher.  He (Hofstee) needs to provide a Biblical arguement to support that statement. (Having a prophecy come true is not proof, see Deut 13:1-3).

No, I think he is right and it is a prophecy that HAS COME TRUE as the fulness of the gentiles has come in and got is lopping off the branch of the apostate church which has fallen away.  Look at the degree of spiritual deafness in America!  It is like thick darkness that can be felt.  Do you see any ministry now days that doesn't have its hand out for money or for a love offering or a place to type in your credit card number?  Those are false!  They have gone for the gold, er...the Mammon, and He says you cannot serve two masters or you will love one and hate the other.  It is God or gold and they choose the latter, and like the song says, "the Father and Son hit the last train for the coast."  Bye, bye, Miss American Pie!

Pr 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

See also:  

for filthy lucre's sake...1Ti 3:3,8; Tit 1:7,11; 1Pe 5:2

make merchandise of you...and Isa 56:5-11; Jer 7:11; Ho 12:7-8; Mt 21:13; Mr 11:17; Ac 19:24-27; 1Ti 6:5; 2Pe 2:3,14-15

error of Balaam...2Pe 2:15; Jude 1:11; Re 2:14

>>>And didn't Paul talk about people preaching the gospel for selfish reasons. I believe that Paul said he was glad that the gospel was getting preached.

There are many gospels and many other Jesus' being preached today and the spirit of ecumenicism says they are all okay which is pluralism and the middle way about to be spewed out.  Jesus and his disciples said they are not all the same and that the way is narrow (difficult) that leads to eternal life.  Not all preaching is okay because the many on the broad way preach false gospels.  Jesus said rather that "this" gospel be preached.  We have contended firmly that is a gospel wherein He is the Head and His sheep hear His voice.  They follow Him in obedience because they love Him, know Him and are known by Him and His Father and look for the blessed hope of their salvation, THE END OF THEIR FAITH, not the beginning.  Truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

What is a Christian?

Who will be saved?

False and True Prophets

[agrace]

I agree with you. There are no promises, just what's available if we go after it. I didn't know we were promised peace and spiritual security.

What I mean by promised peace and spiritual security is that we are promised that no matter what, He will never leave us or forsake us - sounds pretty spiritually secure to me.

You said there are no promises, just what is available if we go after it. That "IF" to me implies that IF we go for it, we're sure to get it. We are promised physical persecution, and physical persecution perpetuates illness and injury, poverty and oppression.

What exactly is available to a Chinese Christian, imprisoned for his faith, who as a result of his stand for Christ has been separated from his family, stripped of his job, removed from his home and subjected to physical torture and emotional abuse? How can he "go after" anything healthy and wealthy, other than the spiritual, of course? How about an Indonesian Christian, chased from his home, friends and family raped and murdered and maimed around him - what is he doing wrong in the way he is going after what is available?

Do you see how the two don't jive? Sure - health and prosperity is always available, but it is not always part of God's plan, no matter how hard we may go after it.

[melsec]

I think I remember my NT teacher Rev. was written somewhere between 90 to 100 CE which makes it pretty close to the last of the books written in the NT. Of course this depends who you talk to many Liberal theologans like to place doubt on any NT scripture being written in the lifetime of the first Apostles. I hope soon to write a book which casts a lot of weight to beleiving that Mark's Gospel was written from Peter's recalling of many of the stories of Jesus' life to the young disciple Mark. This would place Mark's Gospel being written aound 45 to 55 CE.

God Bless

Mel

BTW I knoe my English is shocking - I promise the book will be edited by a Journo freind of mine

[zeaal]

I am very familiar with the Word of Faith movement and claiming things, be they material or spiritual. I walked there. Thankfully, the need to want and desire to have was taken from me by the Grace of the Father.

[El Cid]

With respect to Post #108

of course you realize.. that much of the new testament was written AFTER the book of Revelation right? look it up in any commentary or concordance... Looks like they put revelation at the end when they assembled the canon of the new testament, to scare folks off.

No sir. The Book of Revelations was written by the last living Apostle, John, on the island of Patmos around 95 AD. The Gospels, Book of Acts, and Epistles, were written 30 to 40 years prior. This final 'book' was part of the complete Book - and provides the closing words.

With respect to your comments regarding the false prophets who abound - who can argue? God warns us of these people - and He's given us His Book as a guide.

[Rowdee]

I know nothing of who/what this linked site is; and virtually nothing about this Benny Hinn. That said, and the fact that I am not an expert in religion leaves verry little room for me to say much. However, the person/entity whose link this is is obviously a non believer, which in an of itself doesn't mean there is no credibility.

However, simply because he has not observed a provable healing means not very much.

The link indicates there was a woman with lung cancer that BH made a claim that she was healed and she later died...there is no statement as to cause of death, merely implied....one thing God did say was that we all will die, thanks to Adam and Eve.

And then the link indicates the 'most tragic and despicable tragedy being a family that converted for the sole purpose of getting 'god' and Benny to heal their son. Since when does 'accepting God on your terms get you anywhere other than a pass into Hell? We are in no position to 'negotiate' terms with God on anything. And looking to 'Benny' for healing is akin to having an idol set up alongside God, in my estimation!

Instead of the 'where is the government bs', when will people realize that God doesn't expect you to park your brain in order to become a Christian.

And the link appears to really be hung up on 'wealth' or those who have it.....its true that Christ said it would be easier for a wealthy man to go thru the eye of a needle than see heaven....that doesn't mean that wealthy people won't make it to heaven...most of them consider the almighty $$ their god.

That's how I see this issue.

[Joshua]

"From the last Chapter of God's Word. Nothing is to be added to the prophecy (until He returns). Beware of those who come with signs and wonders: "

Signs and wonders are adding to Gods Word? If signs and wonders were taken out of Gods word we could print the bible on a postcard.

" Acts 4:29-30 29 Now, Lord, consider their threats and enable your servants to speak your word with great boldness. 30 Stretch out your hand to heal and perform miraculous signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus." (NIV)

Acts 14:3 3 So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to do miraculous signs and wonders (NIV)

Acts 15:12 12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. (NIV) "

God used signs and wonders as proof to those who the Holy Spirit gave scripture. We don't need them now we have the KJV? And you guys think Hinns off the wall?

[jrewingjr]

"was benny smacking the little bald-headed old man on the back of the head? I love that bit!"

Excerpt:
"That bastard slapped me granddad upwards of 1,500 times back in the '70s. And why? Because his short stature made him an easy target? Because his bald, shiny head, God bless it, made a humorous thwacking sound when smacked with an open palm?"

from British Government Releases Scandalous Benny Hill Tapes

[sunpimp]

This is a more general reply to various posts you have made. You have in various posts, you talked about being glad your church was not popular with the media and in condemning traditional churches brought up the fact that many schools of theology are liberal. Thus you are committing a falacy in assuming that anyone condemning you, and your beliefs must hold to this watered-down anything goes form of Christianity and this is not the case. Most of us who argue against Hinn, and the whole TBN establishment are quite conservative.

I liken talking this whole thing to talking to a close friend who has been swept up in Amway. Before I go on, I hope that everyone who attacks me now would understand, that I know there are many who make it, but for purposes of the argument the vast majority do not and one would have better spent their time mastering J2EE or enterprise software. Anyway, when you point out to them that the various Gods of the upline are making most of their money pushing tape of the week and endless seminars and weekly meetings people have different reactions.

1. You have the rational types who are willing to intellectually examine your claims and go over them point by point.

2. You have some who are not bothered by the claims, and look forward to making their money this way when the time comes. Nothing wrong here, they have at least weighed your claims and are not that terribly offended although they now understand why the group pushes these non-Amway materials so hard. After all Amazon does it why shouldn't they!!!

3. Finally you have the dogmatic cult types who call you a dream stealer and refer to people who don't do well as losers who didn't understand the business. I correlate this type of personality very strongly with many hard-core followers of Word-Faith, Oneness Pentecostalism, Modalism, Name-it-Claim or whatever it is called lately.

Once someone falls into the number 3 category, it becomes tougher to reach them because they either do not have the capacity to study things for themselves, or do not wish learn enough about the issue to enter a battle of wits. They begin to attack the critics (hank hannegraaf or whoever) as heretic hunters and such, but refuse to examine the evidence for themselves.

You see people who are strongly convicted of the truth of what they believe are willing to courageously defend their beliefs with evidence. You will never, I repeat, you will never see any big time TBN evangelist have the courage to publicly debate a Reform Apologist like William Lane Craig or James White about their beliefs.

So my point in all this is that the only thing people would like is for you and others to not make dogmatic assertions and attacking "heretic hunters" but to find out just why we think you are better off in an evangelical church that holds to biblical orthodox views of christianity.

[Robert_Paulson2]

just open up your handy dandy key study bible ... greek if you please... not trying to be snotty.. I just don't argue over what is considered common knowlege. The first three epistles of john were written in about ad 95... the internal evidence cited by greek commentators in most of my greek texts date revelation to the ad 70 period, that is due to the persecution reference in chapters two and three... and the persecution of nero in the 68-70 AD period. Even including (trajan's) persecution the time period of writing would be ad 85 or even 90 at the latest... still about five years before the other three epistles. John would have broken his own rules if he meant "no more bible" instead of "dont add to my book."

The meaning of the greek text, I am told, is "don't add to THIS book..." meaning the letter of John to the twelve churches..." or the Revelation of Jesus Christ, as given to John the apostle... NOT the closing of the canon, as some folks claim... such claims are spurious... however I would suggest that no one add to the bible calling their word the word of God almighty. Especially the likes of benny.

as to not caring... I mean I don't care to argue. Look it up, buy it or not.. makes no difference to the argument about whackjob benny h... I ain't mad. Just too busy to redo the research paper from 30 years ago on the order of the closing of the canon of the new testament... circa... the seventies....

[connectthedots]

As in Bob somebodyuntiedmybowtie Tilton?

Hinn is worse than Tilton.

[Robert_Paulson2]

revelation was written during neros purge.. ended in ad 70... and was back dated by king james scholars surrepticiously to give the canon finality. The other epistles of John were written by actual dates on the documents supposedly in ad 90 or thereabouts. Some of the general epistles were as well. The gospels were early assembled. But there remains much debate about the dates of epistles... Even the book of hebrews.

That some folks choose to believe John knew he was writing the last book of the bible before he wrote the last three books in his life first second and third john is up to them. Internal evidence seems to indicate otherwise... If your doctrine depends on Revelation being written last.. far be it from me to shoot it down.. its just that there are a considerable number of pleniary inspiration authorities (fundamentlaists) that have come out and admitted this over the last fifty years.

Those committed to the authority of the King James over other versions are the primary proponents of the late date theory of revelation... who am I to insist I am right.. nobody... but I am quite sure I am not alone in stating what I did... except for the misstatement MOST instead of much... five or six epistles including hebrews is a LOT of new testament in my book.. but not most...

[connectthedots]

Read Christianity in Crisis by Hank Hannegraaf.