The Agitator Hour - IMMIGRATION REFORM

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[exodus]

Glenn Spencer sounds like a good man.

[exodus]

I hate to play the "Nazi card,"
but that's the same reasoning Hitler used
to justify his wars of conquest.

[exodus]

I've never heard his information before.

[exodus]

Agreed on the southern mine field, agitator.
I don't believe that we should even have a Border Patrol.

Border security should be handled by the military forces.

[exodus]

Thanks, Crabcake.

[FITZ]

The problem isn't that the parents don't "prepare" their children,

Even if parents use a public school, most of the teaching is the responsibility of the parents. The teachers are a small part. Parents owe it to their children to teach them basic language skills ---vocabulary and grammar, teach them colors, numbers, letters and many life skills before they send them to kindergarden. A child from an educated middle class family gets all that, but there are many children coming from homes that provide no education. A friend of mine worked in an Episcopalean Sunday School with kids who had all the educational toys, books, educated parents ---but in public school she saw kids who had many siblings, no toys, no books, no crayons and no language skills --also no health care, poor dental hygiene, unwed uneducated single mothers. I think that makes a large gap that most kids can't get across ----even with huge social programs like Head Start.

[exodus]

Glenn Spencer said that libertarians
would lose the country?

I'm a libertarian,
but you better not try
to come into my house uninvited.

[FITZ]

I don't believe in having a mine field on the border.

[FITZ]

If libertarians could end welfare and all the handout programs, it would remove a great incentive. Apparently some people believe illegal immigration somehow saves Social Security ---which makes no sense ---but I'm for ending that program too. But I don't want the US to become a 3rd world country where you pay people dirt wages to keep them poor so I don't believe in open borders.

[exodus]

To: exodus
Even if parents use a public school,
most of the teaching is the responsibility of the parents.
The teachers are a small part.
Parents owe it to their children
to teach them basic language skills..."
# 28 by FITZ
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You're letting the teachers off too easy, FITZ.
I paid all I owe to my children when I put them on the bus.

It's the teachers job to teach the children.
Parents can't be blamed when incompetent teachers
don't do what they were hired to do.

If a parent sends their kids to a public school,
the teachers shouldn't expect the parents
to do the teaching instead.

Teaching isn't hard when you have 8 hours a day.
It is hard when you come home from work,
and are expected to teach your kid
what he should have learned in school.

Homework?
Homework is supposed to be practice.
Repetition to drill what you learned that day into your head.
Parents shouldn't have to teach the principles behind the lessons.

[exodus]

To: exodus
"I don't believe in having a mine field on the border."
# 30 by FITZ
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I understand, FITZ.

I've just recently become more militant about our borders,
and it has nothing to do with the 9-11 attack.
It has to do with my libertarian beliefs.

As I said earlier,
trespassers do not have the "right"
to come into my house.

The United States is my house.
If someone insists on coming in anyway,
it's only self-defense if I use deadly force to stop them.

[FITZ]

Where I live, the teachers do a pretty good job with the kids who come to school prepared but many kids come from homes that don't give them much of anything but a television to watch. I know kids who have never traveled outside this town, they have no idea of roadmaps, they've never gone to a museum with their parents, they were never read to, they are very culturally deprived from an early age and the teachers can't make up for everything their parents never gave them.

[exodus]

Good job, agitator.
I had a few interruptions during your "rant" about privacy.

(Those stinkin' kids were bothering me, FITZ)

I did catch enough to know
that I agree with your opinion on privacy.

[agitator]

The problem with solving the immigration issue by branding everybody with a number is that the cure is worse than the disease.....

[exodus]

FITZ, not that long ago in our history
kids from illiterate parents went to one-room schoolhouses
and were taught more than our kids learn today.

They didn't get any more from their parents
than permission to put off their chores
long enough to go to school.

If the kids had told their parents
that they needed help understanding the lessons,
that incompetent teacher would have been fired.

[exodus]

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To: exodus
"The problem with solving the immigration issue by branding everybody
with a number is that the cure is worse than the disease....."
# 37 by agitator
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I consider lost privacy to be synonymous with lost freedom.
Law enforcement has more than enough tools to stop illegal immigration.

[exodus]

In fairness to today's teachers, FITZ,
they don't have the tools they need for the job.

When I send my kids to someone's house,
I expect them to mind their manners
and be obedient to the master of that house.

Moreover, I would expect the master of the house
to handle any needed discipline.

I don't believe in
"You just wait!
I'll tell your Daddy!"

The teachers are not allowed to enforce discipline.
That does make a big difference in results.