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RAZORMOUTH: Libertarian Theocracy (Part 2)
RazorMouth.Com ^ | 1-1-2002 | Rev. P. Andrew Sandlin

Posted on 01/01/2002 5:06:05 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian

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1 posted on 01/01/2002 5:06:06 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OWK, Lurker, tex-oma, nunya bidness, Demidog, Jerry_M, the_doc
Libertarian Theocracy (Part 2)
2 posted on 01/01/2002 5:06:43 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: Asclepius, sheltonmac, rwfromkansas, redrock
Libertarian Theocracy (Part 2)
3 posted on 01/01/2002 5:08:24 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: FreeTally, ICU812
Libertarian Theocracy (Part 2)
4 posted on 01/01/2002 5:10:14 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Great post.
5 posted on 01/01/2002 5:17:55 PM PST by Demidog
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Like?s Gandalf?s caveat about the ?precious? ring in J. R. R. Tolkien?s trilogy, power corrupts, even ? perhaps especially ? when it?s wielded with virtuous intentions
Oh, I'll say.

Yea, verily, and amen. God save us from our virtuous intentions.

This is where I am in complete agreement with Christian orthodoxy. This is where I stand shoulder to shoulder with all the saints and martyrs and prophets and apostles. There is no incorruptable human power; there is no human agent or agency without the taint of human desire.

Power, where it exists, must be divided, distributed, checked, countered, balanced, and its legitimacy constantly renewed.
6 posted on 01/01/2002 5:26:28 PM PST by Asclepius
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
bump
7 posted on 01/01/2002 5:53:53 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: Asclepius
Bump
8 posted on 01/01/2002 6:13:03 PM PST by Demidog
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To: tpaine
per your request, part 2
9 posted on 01/01/2002 7:02:31 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
In 30 years, we libertarians have climbed all the way up to 1/2 of 1% in popular elections. So you guys had better just look out. Our underwhelming sucesses should bring us to 10% or better in another 600 years or so. It's because we are so intelligent, relevant and right-on that the people are flocking to our banner in such unimpressive numbers.

Heh, heh!
10 posted on 01/01/2002 8:17:13 PM PST by Thorondir
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Excellent!!!

redrock--Constitutional Terrorist

p.s....I see it only took 10 posts for some idiot to prance around yelling "1%....1%".......

11 posted on 01/01/2002 8:43:52 PM PST by redrock
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Excellent!!!

redrock--Constitutional Terrorist

p.s....I see it only took 10 posts for some idiot to prance around yelling "1%....1%".......

12 posted on 01/01/2002 8:46:03 PM PST by redrock
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To: Thorondir, Demidog
In 30 years, we libertarians have climbed all the way up to 1/2 of 1% in popular elections. So you guys had better just look out. Our underwhelming sucesses should bring us to 10% or better in another 600 years or so. It's because we are so intelligent, relevant and right-on that the people are flocking to our banner in such unimpressive numbers. Heh, heh!

Oh, Sandlin and Miller, etc., don't necessarily vote Libertarian Party. Miller, for example, was one of the early movers in the California state Republican Liberty Caucus.

Understand that the Chalcedon Foundation has been considered "the ThinkTank of the Christian Right", much as Brookings and Urban Institute are the ThinkTanks of the Democrats, Heritage is the ThinkTank of the GOP and Cato is the ThinkTank of the Libertarians.

Understand further that Sandlin (author of the above piece) is Chalcedon's Executive Vice President, and Chalcedon has been moving ever more strongly in a libertarian direction.

Now realize that up until this point, the Statist-Authoritarian crowd has essentially enjoyed a "captive audience" on the Christian Right. Social Authoritarians such as Falwell, Robertson, Bauer and Ashcroft have enjoyed broad sway over legions of Christian Right voters, and have largely dominated the direction of Christian Right political activism... supported throughout the 80's, to a greater or lesser extent, by the intellectual firepower of the Chalcedon Foundation.

Should Chalcedon Foundation break with the Social Authoritarians, however, this will represent a major split within Christian Right political "orthodoxy". The intellectual core of Christian Right political activism will have cast its lot with Liberty, and against Statism... and I expect you will begin to see pitched battles between the two groups on the pages of World Magazine and Christianity Today -- both of which are already friendly to Chalcedon's background, as Chalcedon is predominantly Calvinist, and both CT ad World have a strong Calvinist editorial contingent (particularly World).


13 posted on 01/01/2002 8:50:31 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: redrock
well, see my #13. ;-)
14 posted on 01/01/2002 8:51:07 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian;Thorondir
Actually these guys always like to present the numbers received by the lone Presidential candidate and ignore that local and state party candidates received well into double digits for the first time in LP history in 2002.

My friend Dana Rorbacher received 6% in one of the most liberal districts in California. Carla Howell received 12% in arguably the most liberal state in the nation and ran against Ted Kennedy.

Libertarians are making great strides and the poll results of Harry Browne are not a reflection of the true growth and influence of the LP.

15 posted on 01/01/2002 8:55:29 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
oops make that 2000.
16 posted on 01/01/2002 8:56:02 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Thorondir
useless group of people that the rats need
17 posted on 01/01/2002 8:59:40 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I like this guy. The one problem I have is that he is against tariffs and duties. Those are the only lawful sources for the funding of the federal government.

Not that it matters now.

18 posted on 01/01/2002 9:01:39 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: nunya bidness
I like this guy. The one problem I have is that he is against tariffs and duties. Those are the only lawful sources for the funding of the federal government. Not that it matters now.

Not strictly true. The Federal Government may distribute a Tax Bill among the several States "according to the actual enumeration or census", i.e., in proportion to population. It would then be the prerogative of the States to determine how to raise the requisite funds, whether by Property Tax or excises, etc. (Ideally, you also repeal the 17th Amendment, so that the States are sending Senators whose jobs depend on sending the smallest Tax Bill possible home to their sovereign legislatures!! But even so, if a "State-Apportionment" Tax were adopted, at least you would have State Governors and Legislatures strongly opposed to Federal spending, and even without the ability to select Senators, that's a healthy adversarial relationship to encourage).

But I don't think that Sandlin is strictly against tariffs so much as he is against protectionism. The difference is simply a Laffer-curve question of whether or not your Tariffs are having a substantial "protective" impact, i.e., are scaring Imports away (and thus losing tariff revenue from the Imports which are driven away!!). If they are, that is "Protectionism", and Sandlin is against it. On the other hand, if your Tariffs are low enough that they are not having a substantial "Protective" impact, that's a "Revenue Tariff"... a low Tariff designed to garner revenue (by not driving Imports away), rather than a high Tariff designed to protect industry (by driving Imports away).

But yeah, at present, bit of a moot point. :-(

19 posted on 01/01/2002 9:19:25 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: nunya bidness
I like this guy. The one problem I have is that he is against tariffs and duties. Those are the only lawful sources for the funding of the federal government. Not that it matters now.

Not strictly true. The Federal Government may distribute a Tax Bill among the several States "according to the actual enumeration or census", i.e., in proportion to population. It would then be the prerogative of the States to determine how to raise the requisite funds, whether by Property Tax or excises, etc. (Ideally, you also repeal the 17th Amendment, so that the States are sending Senators whose jobs depend on sending the smallest Tax Bill possible home to their sovereign legislatures!! But even so, if a "State-Apportionment" Tax were adopted, at least you would have State Governors and Legislatures strongly opposed to Federal spending, and even without the ability to select Senators, that's a healthy adversarial relationship to encourage).

But I don't think that Sandlin is strictly against tariffs so much as he is against protectionism. The difference is simply a Laffer-curve question of whether or not your Tariffs are having a substantial "protective" impact, i.e., are scaring Imports away (and thus losing tariff revenue from the Imports which are driven away!!). If they are, that is "Protectionism", and Sandlin is against it. On the other hand, if your Tariffs are low enough that they are not having a substantial "Protective" impact, that's a "Revenue Tariff"... a low Tariff designed to garner revenue (by not driving Imports away), rather than a high Tariff designed to protect industry (by driving Imports away).

But yeah, at present, bit of a moot point. :-(

20 posted on 01/01/2002 9:21:28 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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