America First: Why we need to examine our insane Foreign policy

self | 12/29/2001 | Demidog

[saminfl]

Have you ever heard of Bill Gertz?

Of course I have. Do I believe everything he has written? I don't know. I happen to work in a secure vault on a military base. I know how hard it is to access classified information. I only have a secret level clearance. Do you mean to tell me that someone outside the CIA actually knows what the CIA plans and does? That would mean the security at the CIA has been compromised and I find that impossible to believe. One can make claims about what the CIA has done. But the CIA cannot even deny those claims for security reasons, so it implies (at least to the person making the claims and those wanting to believe the claims) that what this outsider says is correct. Do you really believe it is easy to access CIA info?

[Demidog]

Do you mean to tell me that someone outside the CIA actually knows what the CIA plans and does?

Well some of the stuff posted has been long since de-classified. For instance the CIA operation that ousted the Shah's political rival in 1953.

As far as classified stuff, there is plenty of information that is leaked and Gertz seems to get a goodly amount of it. True, he could be an asset to the CIA and practicing disinformation. Or there could be some folks in the CIA who have a conscience and are deliberately leaking info.

Seems that as compartmentalized as the CIA is, they would be burning themselves by doing so but I don't understand why you are focused on this aspect rather than the information itself. Your biggest complaint was about information published regarding the U.S.'s involvement in installing the Shah and keeping him in power. Is there any real question as to the veracity of that information? As I said it's over 40 years old information and long since declassified.

[Mikey]

Yeah, we don't need any of their crap, we got all we need.
When we in these united States are completely independent of oil as a fuel source, than you watch all these Arab nations change their tune. Its now like their doing us a big favor and allowing us to fight their wars for them while they sell us their oil.

[saminfl]

but I don't understand why you are focused on this aspect rather than the information itself.

Because when I believe someone has posted one falsehood, then all the rest he posts are suspect. What Black Jade posted about Jimmy Carter being a "victum" was almsot hilarious. Then I looked to see when he registered and nothing he posts has any credibility for me at all.

[Demidog]

The information about our involvement with the installation of the Shah is correct.

[Roscoe]

libertarian

1 : an advocate of the doctrine of free will

2 a : a person who upholds the principles of absolute and unrestricted liberty especially of thought and action b capitalized : a member of a political party advocating libertarian principles

Merriam-Webster, http://www.m-w.com

Jefferson and the other members of the committee that wrote the Declaration of Independence weren't Libertarians, or even libertarians, your nameless "dictionary" notwithstanding.

[JakeWyld]

I see.

You are one hundred per cent correct. When a nation makes warring acts towards another. It should be dealt with and made to suffer the full consequences of it's actions.

I agree compeletly, as far as I see it, allow the Afghani's to allow another despot regieme to come to power. It is their country and their choice. However, they will face the exact same results. Soon enough they will tire of pissing poeple off that are much stronger than they are and finally do something about it on the home front.

The problem with the mid east is that Islam is the dominate religion and according to some articles I have read, Islam calls for submission to leaders. A viscious cycle...

[Demidog]

You're an America Hater. You hate that the founders were libertarians and you hate the principles that they stood for. We know where you stand. You hate those principles so much you can't stand that anyone still adheres to them.

Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, Washington and Henry. All libertarians and you hate them.

[Roscoe]

Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, Washington and Henry. All libertarians...

The big lie.

[Demidog]

By the way, my "unnamed" entry came from the American Heritage dictionary. The word libertarian is coincidentally recorded on or about 1789.

[Demidog]

That you hate the principles this nation was founded upon is obvious. Willis Carto would be proud.

[Roscoe]

Gotta link? I'd like to see how you edited it.

[Roscoe]

Willis Carto would be proud.

Of Robert Lefevre and Bradley Smith?

[Demidog]

Milton Friedman...

LAMB: Is Thomas Jefferson a Democrat as we know the Democratic Party today?

FRIEDMAN: No, he would not.

LAMB: What would he be today?

FRIEDMAN: He would be a libertarian.

LAMB: A member of the Libertarian Party?

FRIEDMAN: Not necessarily. See, I'm a libertarian in philosophy, but, as I say, I'm a libertarian with a small "l" and a Republican with a capital "r."

http://www.c-span.org/mmedia/booknote/lambbook/transcripts/50060.htm

[Demidog]

He'd be proud of you. And you're the fellow who likes to edit dictionary definitions. I've busted you doing it once. I don't bother with that nonsense. Try dictionary.com for your American Heritage definition.

[em2vn]

It must pain you to live in a successful and productive nation when you could live somewhere else where you could drink water from a filthy stream, relieve yourself in the street and walk bare footed down a dirt road.I think self loathing fits you perfectly.

[Demidog]

Hi Mojo.

[Roscoe]

Jefferson would legalize sodomy? Nonsense.

[Demidog]

Say hello to Carto.

[Roscoe]

It must pain you to live in a successful and productive nation when you could live somewhere else where you could drink water from a filthy stream, relieve yourself in the street and walk bare footed down a dirt road.

Sounds like the libertarian paradise in Somalia.