America First: Why we need to examine our insane Foreign policy

self | 12/29/2001 | Demidog

[Roscoe]

There are those who have been promoting the idea that we should treat these acts of war as though they were merely crimes to be tried in court.

That would be an "insane Foreign policy."

[Roscoe]

Mariana Pfaelzer sided with the leftists, Libertarians and illegal aliens against California's voters.

[Texasforever]

They have admitted they edited the tapes. What does that mean and why was it necessary? Do you read the posts here at FR?

In what way did the "edit" the tapes?

[RGSpincich]

...and in the best light, it appears that OBL was gleeful or rejoiced and thanked Allah for what transpired.

And named names and snickered about the hijackers that were not aware of their impending "suicide". He implicated himself.

You still can't say what you are looking for in the papers that are protected. That makes it a "fishing expedition" and you should be glad that Bush won't allow such nonsense.

[exodus]

To: Roscoe
Nobody knows who created the tapes except the govenrment.
"National Security" dictates they don't need to tell us.
We do know that the government admits the ones you saw were edited.
Why did they need to do that?
Can you answer?
# 441 by Demidog
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To: Demidog
The editing has been explained
as the removal of the areas of the tape
that could not be decifered.
There was an effort made to eliminate any cryptic style messages
to any additional terrorists that may be waiting for orders.
This was explained several times by the government.
Take it or leave it but you asked.
# 456 by RGSpincich
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RGSpincich, do you really believe that ben Laden
couldn't just pick up a telephone
and give his men their instructions?
He doesn't need a video tape to deliver messages.

"The editing has been explained
as the removal of the areas of the tape
that could not be decifered..."

The properties of the Moon have been explained
as just the ordinary actions of a cheese of that size.

"Explanation" doesn't mean "truth."

[Demidog]

Let me explain where I am coming from. I believe in free trade. My interest in this debate is that I want a world where there are no impediments to the trade of legally-produced and sold goods. I want any person working in any hut in any village on the planet to be able to produce anything that is legally-traded anywhere without restriction.

Sheer doublespeak. Can somebody explain to Phil Graham that an agreement drawn up by our well born masters and signed by our President, is government-regulated trade and is not free trade by any stretch of the imagination?

I would say however that there is a finer point to Graham's rhetorical "we are English" or at least he is trying to put on that air.

On the other hand, he does seem to be groveling to the English as if they were his masters rather than the American people who elected him.

[Demidog]

In what way did the "edit" the tapes?

Good question. I would like ot know that myself. Doesn't it at all give you pause to know they announced that they had?

[Roscoe]

...agreement drawn up by our well born masters...

Marx is dead, but his rhetoric lives on.

[Ridin' Shotgun]

Whether an act of war or a civil/criminal crime, an edited tape proves nothing ... except to provide justification for whatever acts/punishments/responses are desired by the judge.

[Texasforever]

Good question. I would like ot know that myself. Doesn't it at all give you pause to know they announced that they had

Doesn't it surprise you that they "admitted" it?

[Rowdee]

Ain't this publik educashun gret! Larnin' bout gubmit n all. Lordy, lordy, lordy.....

[Roscoe]

Tapes of the WTC collapsing have been edited. Perhaps OBL's defenders could deny that it happened.

[Ridin' Shotgun]

And who's calling who insane?

[Demidog]

Hey....This speech is actually sounding pretty good. Some of the admonitions he's making are the apparent loss of soverignty that the EU nations will suffer if they go to one currency. (One currency = one nation) He also seems to implicitly warn them that he'll go for WTO actions against them if they try protectionism and that's one of the reasons I hate the WTO. I certainly hate protectionism but in the long run protectionism is far worse a problem for the nation that practices it then the nations it trades with. Why bother trying to beat a protectionist nation into submission? Their inability to keep up technologically and make quality product will kill their industries just as surely as market dumping would.

[Roscoe]

Is all this starting to sound like the arguments used by Holocaust revisionists?

[Roscoe]

And who's calling who insane?

OBL's apologists are calling our Foreign policy insane.

[exodus]

To: Texasforever
"In what way did they "edit" the tapes?"

Good question.
I would like to know that myself.
Doesn't it at all give you pause
to know they announced that they had?
# 468 by Demidog
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To: Demidog
"Doesn't it surprise you that they "admitted" it?"
# 471 by Texasforever
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Why would admitting the editing be suprising?
We could easily find out that the video tapes had been edited.
If our government tried to deny it,
they would easily be proven to be liars.

[Rowdee]

..."You still can't say what you are looking for in the papers that are protected. That makes it a "fishing expedition" and you should be glad that Bush won't allow such nonsense"....

Horse pockey! I've already mentioned the FBI criminal actions that have been covered up in allowing an innocent man to serve a lengthy (I believe 30 years) term.

And then we have Chinagate....nuclear secret theft and all....what did Richardson, Freeh, the pervert and others know.....what's the scoop with Notra Trulok getting the ax, etc.

There are doubtless many other areas where the previous admin was covered up; as I said, the FBI thing, that others know of...these are just off the top of my head......oh, yes.....and it seems as though the current Bush is the son of a former Bush president....and there was some flack about some misdeeds during his administration--geesh, there was something about state department files being rifled for info on candidates, there was something like an October surprise.....hell, there could even be lots of stuff about Dirty Dick....and we all know what a sleezebag LBJ was.....and Carter has admitted to sinning in thought......there could just be a ton of information that could show just how corrupt our government personages are....one coverup at a time!!