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The United Front Against Liberty
LewRockwell.com ^ | December 28, 2001 | Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

Posted on 12/29/2001 12:08:29 AM PST by Pay now bill Clinton

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To: RightWhale
This is not rhetorical technique. You must have slept through every American history class you ever took to not know that the current constitution was preceeded by the Articles of Confederation. We were the Confederated States before we were the United States and I learned that in the fourth grade for the first of about eight times. How is history "rhetorical technique"? That's like saying ignorance is "bliss."
41 posted on 12/29/2001 12:14:01 AM PST by stryker
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To: Pay now bill Clinton
I hate Mieses to pieses!

Actually, I don't, but there is something about these thinkers who are made into cult objects, or who create a cult of personality around themselves: Marx, Chomsky, Rand, Mises. Better to contribute what you can than to have others bow down before your work as the true Holy Writ.

What people object to in the Rockwellites isn't that they cling to principle when others don't. And it isn't that they're narrow and dogmatic in their views. It's that they are like everyone else, picking and choosing their own preferences to make up an ideology -- which they then presume to treat as though it were a holy dogma. Starting from similar principles to Rockwell, one could come up with very different views about the Civil War or World War II, immigration or tariff barriers, but to the Rockwellites, all their opponents are heathens. Rather than shed an even light over the world, so that we can figure out what should be done, Rockwell uses his zine to project his own view of the world, blinding his followers with it, and obscuring the view for his readers. That's his prerogative in a free society, but it goes a long way to explaining why he and his gang are so loathed. As with a lot of political sectarians, Rockwell.com is too impractical and utopian for activists, and too dogmatic for any but the most rigid of theorists.

42 posted on 12/29/2001 12:14:01 AM PST by x
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To: Lazamataz
"Much like a precious gem, is a good savaging of LEWser. You can turn the vehement trashing in the sunlight and each facet of the argument shines dazzlingly, only to be replaced by yet another brilliant facet.

A good trashing of LEWser Rockdrone is a treasure, a trophy of great value, and a thing to be cherished forever. My best ones, I print and frame and place above my mantel, in a manner reminiscient of a safari hunter of yore.

You are being carried away in literary fantasy. I think it is better to keep such fantasies to oneself. But that's just a personal view.

43 posted on 12/29/2001 12:14:02 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: Lazamataz
"A good trashing of LEWser Rockdrone is a treasure, a trophy of great value, and a thing to be cherished forever. My best ones, I print and frame and place above my mantel, in a manner reminiscient of a safari hunter of yore.

Would you pick for me one of your particular favorites among those you have framed - the one that you are most proud of - and copy it to me, so that I can apprediate it also.

Illustrate for me how:

"You can turn the vehement trashing in the sunlight and each facet of the argument shines dazzlingly, only to be replaced by yet another brilliant facet."

Thank you in advance.

46 posted on 12/29/2001 12:14:08 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: Pay now bill Clinton
...liberty for everyone, State privileges for no one.

That about says it all.
47 posted on 12/29/2001 12:14:14 AM PST by BluesDuke
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To: RichInOC
He doesn't really mean to suggest that the Founding Fathers were against liberty,

Only when they achieved positions of power.

48 posted on 12/29/2001 12:14:22 AM PST by Ada Coddington
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To: KirkandBurke
The State will even go to the lengths of perpetrating, goading or allowing events to occur in order to achieve its goals. Problem-Reaction-Solution, resulting in a consolidation of power.

Such has been the behavior of corrupt oligarchies throughout history.

Any fool who chooses to believe this could not be happening now is either paralyzed by fear or engaged in purposeful collusion.

49 posted on 12/29/2001 12:14:22 AM PST by eskimo
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To: tex-oma; stryker
Notice how when anyone refers to the attack they talk about the WTC. You'd think the Pentagon never happened. Odd.

Expect a visit from the "Ashcroft Regime" for asking these questions.

It is also interesting that this "masterminded plot with years of planning" didn't consider that GW was in Florida. And where was everyone else? We have never been told, really. Guess they were just lucky like the BATF and FBI in Oklahoma City, and just decided not to come to work that day as a group.

50 posted on 12/29/2001 12:14:25 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: Ada Coddington
Uhhhh-huh. The founders, the people who wrote and enacted the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, were tyrants. Riiiiight. Tyrants always allow their opponents to speak, write and assemble to protest against them. Don't they? Tyrants always enact limits on their own powers. Don't they? And once they do that, they always, but always respect those limits. Don't they?

Please. No. Get real. Describing the Constitutional Convention as a coup is just ignorant.

51 posted on 12/29/2001 12:15:03 AM PST by RichInOC
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To: Lazamataz
In order to "savage" someone's writing, you have to have read it. Since, by your own admission, you didn't read it, your comments here are utterly worthless.
52 posted on 12/29/2001 12:15:12 AM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage
In order to "savage" someone's writing, you have to have read it. Since, by your own admission, you didn't read it, your comments here are utterly worthless.........

..........yet still festive, and filled with holiday cheer!

53 posted on 12/29/2001 12:15:14 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: tex-oma
Well, now that Rockwell is knocking the Constitution in favor of the Articles of Confederation, we'll all have another reason to loathe him.

I'm sure that the herd of "independent thinkers" who swallow his stuff will soon enough be parroting this line.

Meanwhile, I'll be waiting for him to publish a piece that reflects a different point of view.

54 posted on 12/29/2001 12:15:15 AM PST by x
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To: Roscoe
Yep. --- His rhetoric lives on in your socialistic soul.
55 posted on 12/29/2001 12:15:17 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Sorry, I don't share the Marxist/Libertarian dream of a borderless land in which "the State" simply withers away.
56 posted on 12/29/2001 12:15:19 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
But you do share the Marxist/Fascist/Democrat/most Republicans dream of a state that doesn't have to obey limits on its own power.
57 posted on 12/29/2001 12:15:20 AM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage
No borders and the state withers away. The terror of Communism grew from those Marxist principles. Libertarians now espouse them.
58 posted on 12/29/2001 12:15:22 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: RichInOC
"He doesn't really mean to suggest that the Founding Fathers were against liberty, does he? "

It is my own personal view that Alexander Hamilton, for one, wasn't a great friend of liberty. Actually, he was a lot like Clinton in many respects. Although Hamilton at least knew who his father was, his father was not his mother's husband. Hamilton was also an adulterous womanizer, though probably not to the same extent as Clinton. Like Clinton, Hamilton was more interested in power than money, but was always ready to facilitate others out to enrich themselves at public expense. His part in enabling speculators who for pennies on the dollar had bought up worthless paper money (Continental dollars ?), from merchants who had supplied the army, to obtain full face value from the government is one of the more egregious examples.

59 posted on 12/29/2001 12:15:23 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: RichInOC
Regarding your post 22:

Maybe Lew does believe that. I do. Maybe you will too if you are willing and able to research the background of these five quotes:

"I smell a rat." --Patrick Henry

“The Constitution is swollen with dangerous doctrine; doctrine that will be taken advantage of by the Federalists, a faction of monarchy men, military men, aristocrats and drones whose noise, impudence and zeal exceeds all belief."—Richard Henry Lee, letter to George Mason, 1 October 1787

"When all government, domestic and foreign, in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another, and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated." –THOMAS JEFFERSON

**”Stripped of all its covering, the naked question is, whether ours is a federal or consolidated government; a constitutional or absolute one; a government resting solidly on the basis of the sovereignty of the States, or on the unrestrained will of a majority; a form of government, as in all other unlimited ones, in which injustice, violence, and force must ultimately prevail." –Calhoun, 1831**

"What was once a Constitutional Federal Republic, is now converted in reality into one as absolute as that of the autocrat of Russia, and as despotic in its tendency as any absolute government that ever existed." --John C. Calhoun, Southern statesman and visionary in his last speech to Congress, 1850

Luck in your trek!

60 posted on 12/29/2001 12:15:24 AM PST by one2many
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