FBI, Pentagon Quiz Microsoft on XP

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[tacticalogic]

Microsoft's error is not one of intentions, but of poor implementation. Yet, again.

I agree. I'm having a hard time seeing this as a defective product issue. To me, the test is wheather the product performs as advertised when used as intended. I wouldn't consider a lawnmower defective if it wouldn't run because someone snuck into my garage and filled the gas tank with water.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

LOL!!!May be...I downloaded it twice, before and after Norton Internet Security which came with my puter.

[verboten]

And "not allowing anyone from outside to take total control of you machine" is clearly a fundamental part of the 'purchase of an OS' transaction.

And that is where the argument lies. I can see some valid points on both sides. To be fair MS has had this problem with IIS server. So I'd have to say that anytime you connect to the internet you open up all sorts of vulnerabilities. Again, if you want safety you purchase Volvo and Linux.

Why do ya'll want MS to be immune to the law?

I don't. But the law today is mostly garbage. It has been clutered with all sorts of violations of common sense. MS should not be above the law, nor below it. But no one should be subjected to the laws we have today.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

Even Mac's need a ton of driver and other updates...But Mac's firewall is the best.

[Balding_Eagle]

I'm not a computer wiz, but I think what I did was sign up for their free update notification service.

Go START, HELP AND SUPPORT, and the chose KEEP YOUR COMPUTER UP-TO-DATE. Then follow instructions.

I usually skip these 'Lets Bash MS Some More' threads because it brings out the more emotional(liberal) side of FR posters, leaving the rational thinking side of the brain to rest a bit.

One thing I've noticed was how RealPlayer (for example) can invade my computer memory and screen area and yet no complaining from anyone. Its the devil to get it out, and I haven't really got their infectus software tamed. Yet MS, which has consistantly, over the years, made major improvements to it's OS gets slammed.

The improvements are of such magnitude that I can now run really crappy 3rd party software (I have no choice but to do so) and WIN will just ignore all of the bugs in it. My computer has crashed maybe once or twice in the past 18 months. The crappy 3rd party software has caused about 200-300 crashworthy problems in that time. Task manger has allowed me to pinpoint them and 'cut-off' the offending file, or whatever. Like I said I'm not a wiz, but like everyone else I know when things aren't working.

Flame away, but when something works as good as WIN 2000 and now XP, I'm an avid supporter. It's made my life much easier.

[Don Joe]

"Yes. You do."

Aw, don't spoil the fun. Let him keep digging himself in deeper and deeper and deeper. It'll be fun to watch the New Dominick go "Mnfph pfmfpfh mnftp!" when people taunt him after his attacks come home to roost and he's... well, why ruin the surprise. :)

[TruthShallSetYouFree]

this has got to stop

[BlackbirdSST]

Is the whole world their beta-testers? (Even I know the answer to that is yes.)
Confirming, Yes is the answer. Unfortunately, more and more are doing it, not just MS. Not just S/Ware either. And another trendy change lately, they are not printing manuals to go with their products, "It's online, after you install the product" is the most common reply I get these days. Of course it's useless until you get the product up and running, in most cases. Blackbird.

[Don Joe]

"What is it about MS that makes people put them above the law?"

What is it about MS-haters that makes them think they are above the law?

[Texas_Longhorn]

Why are they doing this spying thing? A person only has to use linux for communications. The only people they are hurting are the honest people. The FBI, out of their LUST to spy on it's own citizenry, are introducing this huge hacker backdoor.

The FBI is a fountain of undiluted incompetence.

[Dominic Harr]

It has been clutered with all sorts of violations of common sense.

Is the basic law that a company can't knowingly sell defective goods a violation of common sense?

I'd say that is a very important, basic one. And MS has just violated it terribly.

With IIS, the buffer over-run vulerabiliy was known to the public. In this case, only MS and the one security company knew.

MS knowingly continued to sell a defective product. All they had to do was inform their customers to *turn the thing off*.

For their profits, they didn't.

[dts32041]

Query has anyone had problems after applying the patch.

I started receiving an lsass error on boot and the system would not boot unit I did a system roll back and unistalled the patch.

[Dominic Harr]

What is it about MS-haters that makes them think they are above the law?

Ya'll have been threatening me with lawsuits to shut me up for almost 2 years now.

Do you really think anyone cares?

I'd consider it a badge of honor if MS tried to sue me for informing people of MS's law-breaking.

MS 'business tactic' #324 -- sue people.

[Don Joe]

"If this doesnt wake up the world and make them all switch to Linux I dont know what will."

Um, perhaps the availabiltity of applications?

My sides, my sides, etc.

PS: don't jive me with any of that "Star Office" crap either, sonny.

[Dominic Harr]

So tell me why MS didn't inform it's customers to turn this 'feature' off 5 weeks ago, when they found out about it?

Why did they continue to sell this to millions?

[Don Joe]

I didn't threaten you with anything, sonny. I merely expressed my opinion. *You* didn't like my opinion, so you libeled me by fraudulently accusing me of threatening you.

You're a sad piece of work, Batchmo.

PS: you're not my "critic". You're merely a pesky nuisance.

[Dominic Harr]

I didn't threaten you with anything, sonny.

You and innocentbystander have explicitly threatened me with a lawsuit in the past.

Innocent has also threatened to beat me up.

Your posts -- several of them -- was *clearly* more of the same.

Here on FR, threatening the other side in a debate with a lawsuit is called 'losing the debate'.

[Don Joe]

"Until softwear companies are held financially responsible for their defective products, we will always absorb the significant costs of producers' negligence."

Um, panties in a knot?

[Glenn]

Why did they continue to sell this to millions?

Keep talking, Dominic. I can use the sleep.

[bimbo]

I don't know how much experience you have with MS bugs, but this is SoP for MS.

The MS SOP is: sell the Beta Version with fingers crossed.