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Quantum Teleportation and Computation

Posted on 12/20/2001 5:17:16 AM PST by Father Wu

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To: lafroste
I do have shades of an inkling of another mechanism could be employed that really moves the entire object en mass in an apparently discontinuous fashion.

Artificial wormholes are the way to do this. We just need some neg-matter or some way of generating neg-matter's effects.

81 posted on 12/20/2001 7:42:18 AM PST by Brett66
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To: TopQuark
Whence such a strong conclusion?

THAT is a question with a ponderously long answer! Ten seconds into it you would forget this question as other more profound heresys arise. If you are sincerely interested, I would not mind a dialogue on the subject.

I beg to disagree: Newton's laws describe reality well, but not perfectly well. And the inaccuracy happens to be greater at greater speeds.

Here we must respectfully disagree. When dealing with an exactitude (like mathematics) "not perfectly well" is not good enough. Einstein's theory (assuming it is true) is not only relevant at great speeds, but also slow speeds. It is simply that the difference between Einstein's answer to a problem involving a slow speed is indestinguishable from Newton's unless you carry the calculation out to 20 decimal places. But that difference counts.

I believe that any valid physical law must be true at ALL conditions, not just a narrow subset of conditions to be valid in general.

82 posted on 12/20/2001 7:43:57 AM PST by lafroste
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To: lafroste
Your post does not address the basic premise of my question. That being: How do you use a physical system to manipulate a quantity that is not subject to physical law? 

As of yet we don't understand how it applies to physical laws. That is yet to be understood, harnessed and applied for man's benefit. That's the purpose of technology advancement, research and development.

My further point was that the basic misunderstanding we are dancing with here is the basic thing that must be resolved one way or another for your future to be realized.

83 posted on 12/20/2001 7:45:07 AM PST by Zon
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To: lafroste
The generally accepted answer is that the fourth dimension is time. The more interesting question is "what is the fifth dimension?" (And no smart remarks about the musical group please)

No one knows, of course. I just wanted to mention that the scientists need not add dinmensions one at a time. Your remark reminded me of a model (in statistical mechanics) from long ago that calculated the behavior of a system in... 27 dimensions (yes, there were reasons for the choice of that number). You may also hear a statement along the lines, "We know this phase transition occurs above eleven and below six dimensions. What happens in between is an open question."

So, one need not assume that the next "big" change in paradigm, if it affects the dimensionality at all, will add just one dimension.

84 posted on 12/20/2001 7:48:42 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: lafroste
. It is simply that the difference between Einstein's answer to a problem involving a slow speed is indestinguishable from Newton's unless you carry the calculation out to 20 decimal places. But that difference counts.

Especially when you're dealing in Quantum measures, where 20 decimal places is not unusual. Newtons laws were a representation of the best knowledge at the time. Einstein refined them to fit all situations.

86 posted on 12/20/2001 7:50:42 AM PST by AUgrad
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To: TopQuark
You'll get no arguments from me on that one. However, my little pile of quivering grey stuff has its metaphorical hands full with just five, thank you very much.
87 posted on 12/20/2001 7:51:33 AM PST by lafroste
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To: Erasmus
"Heisenberg may have slept here." That's very nice. Thanks. LOL.

On another note: what does it provide as evidence? A lot of little Heisenbergs running around?

88 posted on 12/20/2001 7:51:39 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
Super string theory has us somewhere around 9 dimensions, and super membrane theory has us somwhere around 11, and my super string super string theory has us at 18 dimensions ... but that doesn't account for the 32 continuous random variables, that I have just identified, which determine what I will do in the next hour. Geez, this is getting complex.
89 posted on 12/20/2001 7:52:26 AM PST by gjenkins
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To: Father Wu
BUMP
90 posted on 12/20/2001 7:53:24 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: elephantlips
The Matrix!

I haven't been able to make the connection to The Matrix very well. But I do know other people that said the movie helped them understand the concepts better. 

Where I and they do agree is on The Matrix is in the metaphor of being controlled by an external authority. Wielding the metaphors around in my mind enough to see how we can out-compete government.

91 posted on 12/20/2001 7:57:08 AM PST by Zon
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To: lafroste
Time is rather iffy as it is subject to the "red-shift" of Einsteinian relativity.  The LWH dimensions (at least, as far as I know) are constant no matter where you are in relationship to anyone else (at least in this universe).

I will admit that in theory, at least, you can have unlimited dimensions (otherwise, why calculus?).  But a more interesting aspect to this discussion is what would happen if you could temporarily collapse the perceivable 3 dimensions to 2 in a small area.  It appears that this has better possibilities for actual teleporting.  OTOH, this entanglement teleporting thing may be a boon to medical science.  Imagine teleporting cancer or Ebola out of a patient's body.
92 posted on 12/20/2001 7:59:49 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Attillathehon
I have no idea what you're talking about. I just looked in to see if there was a quicker way to get to work.

 LOL!!!

I wish I could say check back in a week, but twenty or thirty years is probably more like it. :)

93 posted on 12/20/2001 7:59:53 AM PST by Zon
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To: Paradox
Well, Time is not the fourth dimension, it is just a dimension, if you want it to be. Think of "the" fourth dimension as merely an extension into another "space", perpendicular to our own. Much as a two dimensional being who lives in a 2 dimensional space (sheet of paper) cannot detect the third dimension (our own), we cannot detect a fourth. True to the name, this is quite paradoxical.

Nobody claims that the coordinates must be written (x,y,x,t) with time being the fourth in the tuple. One could use (x,t,y,z), of course. It was always my understanding that people referred to time as the fourth dimension as the one added by the relativity theory, prior to which time was known but considered independent.

To make a statement that an n-dimensional being in an (n+1)-dimensional world cannot detect the (n+1)st dimension is rather strong and requires support. How do we detect a particle's spin without having one ourselves?

94 posted on 12/20/2001 8:02:48 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: Father Wu
Thanks. I wrote it in middleschool. Jeeez! Father, after you have demonstrated this much knowlege and intellectual capacity, one would think they should have graduated you by now... It's just not fair to keep a student who can write such an essay in the middle school.

I knew Catholic schools were strict, but this is something else altogether.

96 posted on 12/20/2001 8:07:41 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: Nick Danger
Q: How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb?

A: Fish.

97 posted on 12/20/2001 8:19:56 AM PST by butter pecan fan
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To: lafroste
I have concluded that potential energy is nonsense.

Physics takes as postulates the following.

1. There is energy of a particle, T, associated with its motion, called kinetic.

2. There is energy of a system of particles, U, associated with interactions among them, called potential.

3. Whenever a system of particles evolves, it does so in a way that make the total vaiation of the quantity (T-U) minimal (this is Hamilton's Principle of Least Action).

Conceptually, that's it. In applications, one has to exhibit the form of the potential energy U, which is system-specific, of course. There is no empirical evidence at odds with this structure.

Which part of it qualifies as nonsense?

98 posted on 12/20/2001 8:20:41 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: lafroste
Here we must respectfully disagree. When dealing with an exactitude (like mathematics) "not perfectly well" is not good enough. Einstein's theory (assuming it is true) is not only relevant at great speeds, but also slow speeds. It is simply that the difference between Einstein's answer to a problem involving a slow speed is indestinguishable from Newton's unless you carry the calculation out to 20 decimal places. But that difference counts.

This is merely a difference in the semantical meaning of the words.

As far as I know, all physicists view the "truth" about reality as a limit. Very much like zero is a limit of the 1/n, that is,
1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, ....
The limit is zero, but no term of the sequence is zero. The truth is, similarly, the limit of our model building. No theory claims to have attained it.

Returning to the question at hand, I believe that we do agree, but have used different words to describe it. We currently beleive in the relativity theory --- just one term of the sequence, not the ultimate truth; Newton's theory departs from it more the greater the speed of the bject. In fact, Newton's theory is competely valid in the limit of speeds approaching zero -- in the sence of the limit.

99 posted on 12/20/2001 8:27:41 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
To make a statement that an n-dimensional being in an (n+1)-dimensional world cannot detect the (n+1)st dimension is rather strong and requires support.

Yes, that was worded too strongly, I should have used "readily perceive" instead of detect.

100 posted on 12/20/2001 8:30:20 AM PST by Paradox
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